LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Mitch Farris’ Day On

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MarineLayer

1 day ago

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6588426/2025/09/01/angels-manager-2026-five-potential-options/

Sam lists five candidates for manager next year.

I’m okay with Schumacher or rolling the dice with Torii.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I’m OK with not subscribing to the NYtimes. It’s not really gonna matter who the Angels have for a manager next year. We will have reloaded the roster with crap. Our current crap will be older. The results will be the same give or take five games. CtPG Guy will still think he’s smarter than who ever is managing. Rinse. Repeat. Drink.

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GrandpaBaseball

1 day ago

Not lookin’ good for 400 in ’25.

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RexFregosi

1 day ago

Tonight from misery – Ward is back, Trout is not

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Born_in_59

1 day ago

Reply to RexFregosi

Must be a heck of an infection.

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Charles Sutton

1 day ago

Reply to Born_in_59

Fungus on his shower shoes.

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MarineLayer

1 day ago

Reply to Charles Sutton

Sounds like a Rendone injury.

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Twebur

2 days ago

Steve Ballmer and the Clippers are into some shady financial creativity….or, cheating, therefore trying. All the while Art getting sued, shady team personal, shady stadium business deals, local political intrigue, bare bones minimum business operations, selling the team, not selling the team. But Ballmer used a tree hugging NGO as a way to pay a player 28 million. And I thought the Doyers were probably doing some shady deals behind closed doors. Ballmer might have taken the prize. And I’ll assume the loop-hole exists, distance from the deal, that he’ll go unpunished, because the league and media will cover this up and downplay it. Look away, nothing to see here.

https://x.com/dpshow/status/1963278959417622557

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

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I love my owner. Ballmer is the man!

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PedroCerrano

2 days ago

On the Valdez thing: Dude was an amateur free agent out of the DR, has temper management issues, freaky muscle mass and a HUGE CRANIUM. You do the math.

He’s Trashtro so I don’t care if it’s a baseless accusation.

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Phil

2 days ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

Dude didn’t “….knowingly know…..” about the things that were causing the freaky muscle mass and increased hat sizes.

🙂

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PedroCerrano

1 day ago

Reply to Phil

Convicted? No never convicted.

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Roy Hobbs

1 day ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

That’s a great line Pedro. You mean flaming?

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Phil

2 days ago

Loved the Astros infighting. If you watch the video (link is in the post above), you can see the catcher stare at the pitcher, and Valdez staring right back – actions you do not typically see. Keep up the fights!!

For today:
Bergert has not faced the Angels
For the season, he’s 2-1, ERA 2.67

Dana has not faced the Royals
He’s only pitched 6 innings in 2025, with 7.50 ERA

Yesterday’s game was quite a satisfying win, especially with a pitcher making his MLB debut, and both Ward and Trout out.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

I liked Mitch Farris’s composure. Adell continues to break out. Peraza seems to be a possible option to replace geefo on the roster. I’m hopeful Teo can be a contributor. Still wondering what the hell is wrong with Logan. Mike Trout with a skin infection? Why don’t we call it a season and let him rest up for ‘26. Still hate the management, manager, coaches, and the coaching. Let’s treat the rest of the season to showcase the kids and phase out the guys who are not on the dance card for 26 and beyond.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I am half in/out on Pereza at 1B. OK, yes, Nolan’s hurt. So we need a body there. It’s also cool that he’s willing to add another tool. But he’s actually been a strong infielder in the past, and the season’s done. I understand they will still play Moncada and Rengifo some cause someone has to hit balls. But they should get Pereza time at 3B, SS, 2B this month as well. It’s pretty clear the plan is for him to get first crack at Utl next year.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Agreed. I’d like to play Peraza in his anticipated role to see if we can do it. I also don’t mind seeing Moncada play to show if he’s worth keeping around. If we need bodies to fill out a lineup with heefo, that’s fine.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I am glad that Peraza is getting consistent ABs. He hit pretty well all through the minors and the the Yankees kept him in cold storage. I’d send him to winter ball too if he’ll go. It would be great if he could field like Peraza and hit like Rengifo next year.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Peraza’s glove is so elite. Give me a .700 OPS and it’s party time

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I’d want to see a .750 OPS before I pop the champagne cork. A glove only guy is just a late inning, defensive replacement, but his fielding is a heck of an improvement over the Yunel Escobars the team has employed over past seasons.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

You’re kidding I hope. Peraza’s glove is not elite. It’s average at best.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

If not elite, it’s at least very good.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

Elite is accurate only if you compare him to Rengifo, Moncada and Newman. However, Peraza fielded 3B well in NY this year and has more than held his own in a scant 31 innings with the Angels.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Born_in_59

THAT is true, he’s better than the current guys on the team. I did see him drop a ball hit to him on the fly as the only miscue. He does have a good arm. Range is in the upper 3rd of other 3rd basemen. Welcomed addition over Heefo.

Agree with P12, can he hit enough to secure a full-time gig. Worst case, he is a defensive minded utility guy.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Good call on winter ball. The kid has enough AAA at bats but didn’t get consistent playing time at the big league level.

Let him go down to Winter Ball and get a few weeks of playing every day. Then bring him into Tempe knowing he can win a job.

He is out of options so we need to let him sink or swim.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I think the only thing left for Moncada to prove is if he can stay healthy for a month. He’s a better than average hitter who is a negative in the field and isn’t likely to improve on that next season. He is still better than the options in the minors, unless Guzman proves he can handle 3B along with MLB pitching.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Born_in_59

By most defensive metrics, Moncada was a plus defender at 3B from 2019-2024, so the “negative in the field” assessment is pretty recent, and might be injury related.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Or I’ve just decided that he’s a negative in the field and I have also decided that I don’t look stuff up. One thing I miss about the old HH Cesspool. If you opened your big trap and just said something there were like eight people waiting to look it up and reem you with stats.

And no one cried about it…. for long.

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Turk's Teeth

1 day ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I mostly just miss Rev, Matt Welch, rghan and Suboptimal. Many of the rest came over (and we get a Rev poke now and then).

Though most of those dudes were among the stat-pushers you allude to.

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1 day ago

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Suboptimal was great. I miss Stirrups’ Friday posts (no offense to JJ or anyone else here, you guys do a great job!).

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Turk's Teeth

1 day ago

Reply to 2pints

Oh yeah – Stirrups was great too, though might he be here under another alias?

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2pints

1 day ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

sounds like you know more than I do. I won’t ask you to out him…unless you want to haha

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

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2002Heaven? He’s been goofing on us for years….

Just like a few people eventually figured out that I am PTP….. or I work for the Rangers…. or something.

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Born_in_59

1 day ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Or they look up the stats they are familiar with. Are Total Zone Rating and Defensive Runs Saved the best choice? Maybe not, but they are readily available, and I don’t have to worry about a paywall to get to them. I appreciate when my fellow fans point out that my opinion might be flawed and back it up with stats. No need to cry over that.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

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Hell. If you are looking up OPS, or WHIP, or ERA+…. you know, just googling the name of the person you want to complain about and then typing the word bref after it… that’s miles ahead of “I just don’t think blah blah blah poop.” guy.

Hell WAR is a fine general measure that people only nit pick about when it’s hurting them. There are no good players with a zero WAR. There are no bad players with a 5+ WAR.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I don’t think there is any need to play Moncada. He has not been a disappointment to me as I knew the kind of player he was. He showed my thoughts were correct. He better be gone. The team needs to stop embracing mediocrity.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

Man. I dream of embracing mediocrity.

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Eric_in_Portland

2 days ago

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You can’t be a .500 team until you become mediocre

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

You’re equating mediocre definition to being average with .500 as the benchmark. There are many other adjective forms the term mediocre refers to. Here is one definition that I like to use: of only moderate quality; not very good. Moncada is mediocre.

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PedroCerrano

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Watching O’Hoppe try to block or frame pitches hurts me. Seems like such a good kid but he’s currently a mess on both sides of the game.

A lot of walks our pitchers have gifted have become doubles.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to PedroCerrano

Logan needs a better mentor on the defensive side of the ball. It might not be too late to fix some of that. On the offensive side, continues to chase pitches. It’s like he cannot pick up the ball leaving from the pitchers hand. He’s a liability at the moment. Good thing to me, Halos have some decent defensive minded catchers in the farm system.

With respect to catching, need to be strong on this side of the game and worry about offense 2nd. Logan should be starting for SLC to humble him and build his game out.

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PedroCerrano

2 days ago

Reply to FungoAle

I agree. It’s a big leap from bobblehead nights to Salt lake but I’d actually just send him where the catching fundamentals are being taught best even if that means A ball. IMHO some basic fundamentals weren’t addressed in his path through MiLB.

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GrandpaBaseball

1 day ago

Reply to FungoAle

I think he is a true LFer or DH. But some winter work with a Molina might be the way.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Man, your definition of “true” is interesting.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Mike Trout has leprosy (maybe, allegedly, possibly, probably, Indian burial ground)

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Prospect or Not?

Inland Empire RHP Benny Thompson

> Undrafted signee in 2023 as a Troy University junior. Well-built “reliever body” (6-feet, 220 pounds) with a big four-seam, mid-90s fastball. Also works with a change-up.
> Racked up 51 Ks over 33 innings (14.2Ks/9) through his first two seasons with the org, while surrendering only 21 hits. The caveat: He was generally throwing blindfolded… evinced in the 29 walks he issued over the same time span.
> Control has remained an issue in 2025 (42 BBs in 60 innings) but his rising fastball has been so dominant in the California League that it hasn’t mattered much. Since May, he has a sub-1 ERA over 35 innings with 53 strikeouts, and currently has a streak of 16 appearances without surrendering an earned run while working as the 66ers closer.
> Season totals: 4-2/1.96 ERA/59.2 innings/31 hits/97 Ks

At 23, he’s slightly older than the Cal League average, and it remains to be seen exactly how dominant that four-seamer will play at higher levels… but those strikeout numbers are singular.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Sure, he’s a pen prospect. The Doyers farm is littered with these guys. They just keep riding that fastball up the ladder while the org hopes they get some control. They even reach the majors that way. Then they get some MLB time to see how much harm the walks do compared to the fast ball’s value. Sometimes they become serious weapons, sometimes they have a few good outings and fall off the roster.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Since minor league contraction and the elimination of short season ball, both the talent level and age level of low-A players has decreased – it’s closer to what Burlington looked like a decade ago.

It’s not just that Thompson is two and a half years older that the average Cal League player, it’s that he’s repeating the level for a second year, and still struggling with control (6+ BB/9) – he’s had high K rates going back to college, but the control needs to improve to have any success against advanced hitters.

IMO, they’re keeping Thompson in IE because the bullpen has been the weakest link for the club (they lose a lot of leads late), and he’s not prominent enough on the depth chart to naturally promote him to A+/AA ball, where he’d be more fairly assessed. I’d say his current placement speaks to how the front office views him in the org chart. They need at least one stopper with the team in the playoffs due to their second-half performance.

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Good insights. He had a 5+ ERA last year in IE so repeating the level was almost a given. Almost equally a given that he’ll start the season in A+ or AA next year.

But: He’s not 2.5 years older than the average Cal League player… he’s 1.3 years older, per Baseball Reference. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=thomps006ben

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Not sure how they’re calculating AgeDiff there, but it’s pretty inaccurate (looks like a simple diff from the integer 23 rather than the whole number 23.7). The “Age” they’re using is the player’s age on June 30th, rounded down to the nearest integer, so a guy like Harold Coll, who turned 24 in July and is 24.2 in September, is still 23 (ie, 23.0) according to BR.

I’m going instead by the average Cal League batter age being 21.2, and Thompson’s age being currently 23.7. Seems more accurate.

So if you want to compare Thompson to other pitchers in the league (21.7 avg), he’s two years older. Compared to the batters he’s facing, he’s two and a half years older. In either case, as a college pitcher with two years of pro ball, he’s old for low-A.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Looking closer at the AgeDiff column, it’s clear that their db developer just took a shortcut and is diffing Age(int) with PAge(float), which means the resulting figure is up to +/- one year off the actual value.

Pretty dumb for BR, really – since they have player age values to the tenth of a decimal elsewhere in their db.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

By the way, nice job by Farris last night. He should be facing the A’s, Mariners, Brewers and Royals again, so we should get a good look at what he’s got this month.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Rowdy Raudi Rodriguez is on some kind of heater.

Angels prospect Raudi Rodriguez hit his 14th triple of his 2025 campaign last night, the highest single-season mark across all Minor League Baseball since 2019; Rodriguez has reached base safely 71 times over his last 30 games where he is slashing .420/.518/.634

https://x.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1963263826713059393?t=pl85RPb3njf4Z6X2k-FHEw&s=19

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

This is good stuff. It’s a red faced dose of hope, but I really do hope that a few of these guys who have had extended stretches of being able to hit really have figured something out and continue to hit next year. We had NO ONE hitting for so long on our farm this season that you had to wonder if they were all being fed soy with soy or something. It was magically bad. Now we are finally seeing at least a handful of prospects start to look like they put in work and are reaping some results for 2025.

Maybe we’ll have a couple guys to be excited about in Madison next summer….

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

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We’re ending 2025 better than we started with the positive developments from Rada (AAA/AA), Guzman (AAA/AA), Foster (A+), Rodriguez (A), Alvarez (A/ACL), and Davillio (DSL).

Need more hitting in the pipeline. A lot more, please Perry

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Next time let’s draft an Ethan Holliday type or Holliday himself instead of a low ranked underperforming human interest pitcher with the second overall pick.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Not drafting Ethan Holliday is gonna be your new Rendon isn’t it? Man drinks a Coke instead of a Pepsi. “We shoulda drafted Ethan Holliday”. Cat stuck in a tree? “We shoulda drafted Ethan Holliday”. A swan dies in London. “We shoulda drafted Ethan Holliday”.

You wantedit…. you gotit…. Toyota….

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red floyd

2 days ago

Glad they beat KC. Even now, over 10 years later, I have not forgiven the baseball gods for blessing Nori Aoki. I was at that game, and that catch should not have been made.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to red floyd

I like the Royals. Central division teams are salt of the earth. If I have to hate every team that beats the snot out of the Angels the ass cancer will get me.

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red floyd

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

I don’t dislike the Royals. I am just still angry over that 2014 ALDS

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to red floyd

The Angels just collapsed in 2014. Couldn’t hit themselves in the face in that series.

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Charles Sutton

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

It would have been nice if Josh Hamilton hit himself in the face.

Google AI just told me Hamilton didn’t even play in that series. I guess in a sense that’s true.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to red floyd

I was also at that game. No way should he have caught that.

But I do generally root for the Royals.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

we were good in the 80s but the Royals bitter AL West rivals – and I spent the first half of the decade in Kansas.
that and 2014. I do not like them much at all but the hate is not there like current AL West teams.

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DMAGZ13

2 days ago

Framber at a discount this summer for attitude issues in Houston?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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YES! Then we can finish only a couple games under .500 with one fewer draft pick paying a guy who will be in his late thirties by the time we need an “ace”.

All kidding aside, I am curious/fearful/interested to see if the Angels go after free agent pitching at all in the years to come. Their prospects and drafting seems to indicate they really don’t enjoy paying guys past 30 a ton of money for what they did when they were younger.

This may or may not be smart….

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2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

It is…smart.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

The goal is the playoffs in 2026 so they must go after Pitching this winter.

They won’t be spending anything else (besides a 3b)

If they don’t get any assets this year, Arte is content with 2.5million tickets sold and 4th place again.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to RexFregosi

“the goal is the playoffs in 2026″… you sweet summer child. You probably believe it when a politician tells you they feel your pain and middle class prosperity is their true north too.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Yet they ponied up more than $60M for Kikuchi and Valdez has been a better pitcher over his career. Of course, for the money it takes to get Valdez you could probably sign Civale and Marquez.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to Born_in_59

Kikuchi’s fine though pointless since he be just about done when we get good. He also only costs 20M a year.

Valdez will cost more.

Does this team look one Framber Valdez away from the play offs to you? More importantly to Arte Carpino?

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2pints

1 day ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

“…when we get good”…who’s the sweet summer child now? We’ll never be good again. Ever.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to 2pints

I meant gooed…. like we get some goo on us. It can happen.

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1 day ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

“they are saying Boo-urns”

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YOUknowulovetheIE

2 days ago

Valdez 100% hit his catcher on purpose. What a dbag

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

Yeah. He had his “fk you” face on. So much grit. Very tough. Demands more from his teammates. Man tantrums. Scowling. Caring. We need him for a pitcher/manager.

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RexFregosi

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

not sure he intended to hit and hurt the kid, but 100% no remorse.
what a prick – reminded me of Clements and Drysdale.
pay the man to play here – the island of misfit toys.

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Charles Sutton

1 day ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

A little more sink to it and that pitch would have been a nutcracker.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Walbert Urena (AA) with a nice outing last night:
6.2 IP
0 ER
3 hits
4 walks
8 strikeouts

Still only 21 years old. Cue Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believin”

TGA (A) less solid yesterday:
4.2 IP
1 ER
6 hits
2 walks
4 strikeouts

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

It’s good. The over all body of work is looking solid for these kids. Take a guy like TGA. He has serious flaws right now. They show up sometimes. he’ll have a bad start. But he’s in A Ball. And he is part of a group of pitchers who, in the past, we wouldn’t even be talking about as they limp through the IE looking meh.

A lot of these guys look very good for the level they are at… and are usually young for the level. So they have been prepped well. I really like that. Surely some of these guys will eventually be unable to adjust to higher levels of competition and will slow down to work on stuff or just not make the cut, but the young horses have almost all shown good progress this season.

Of course, I’m the kind of sicko that doesn’t care if a 1st round pick ends up in the bullpen if they fail as a starter and we then have a bullpen with a 1.02 WHIP made up of several high round “failed picks”. I also like Raisin Bran. But raising the over all floor of the pitching pipeline makes me happy.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

The hardest part for me following the state of pitching in the farm is the patience needed. The majority of truly interesting arms are in the lower levels.

What I would do for any of Joel Hurtado, Walbert Urena, Jared Southard, Samy Natera Jr. to get a cup of coffee before the season ends … my hopium supply needs a quick refill

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Are you ready to write off the all pitcher Minasian draft or still hoping for a miracle?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Why do either? The most talented chunks of that draft were traded for unicorn food. Accept Bachman…. if he becomes some crazy good pen arm I’m fine with that I guess. The rest are just a pile of arms that may or most likely will flame out, which we needed. You need to crack a lot of eggs.

That 2021 draft was shit show. Jackson Merill and……? In our drafts case it was purely to get the pen stuffed with arms and trade for assets to make Ohtani’s mom smile. That ship sailed.

I’d imagine one of Carson Williams, Bubba Chandler, Jackson Jobe, Brady House will eventually become someone I can cherry pick for my woodashooda pile. The most reliable prospects in that draft were gone before we picked.

Maybe Silseth becomes useful out of the pen too? There will be some guy who shows up from the 4th round of that draft on the Guardians or something at some point that is good….

But a shitty draft doesn’t mean it was a bad idea. Team need pitcher moar pitcher pick em. Nor does it spell doom for an org. What does is a decade of pretty lame drafts and failure to make other moves that compensate for them. We are totally there.

But that draft was all about getting a couple pitchers out of 20 picks…. we still might. But it was a crap shoot then and now. This last draft pissed me off a lot more. Bremner’s fine, but picks 2-5 should have looked different.

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Jeff Joiner

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

That draft was an abject failure. I still have hope Bachman can be a useful bullpen piece. My hopes of Silseth being a useful long reliever are toast.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I truly think it is down to only Bachman. Chase looks a physical breakdown waiting to happen. I hope he can overcome his aliments.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to Jeff Joiner

I actually think we should go for broke and keep trying Silseth as a starter until it works or his arm gives out. I am not seeing the value in him as a bullpen piece.

The focus with Bachman should be making him a dominant high-leverage reliever.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

I’m glad that Jo Adell has turned that corner and looks to be a productive player going forward. However, when your top hitting comps are names like Billy McKinney and Trayce Thompson, talk about extensions might be a bit premature. Since he’s entering his arb years, I’m sure Jo will get a nice pay bump next season, but I’d like to see him get above 2 WAR for a season before thinking about a multi-year contract.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to Born_in_59

My thought process in extending Neto, Soriano, Adell is buying out their prime years at a discounted rate.

Risky? Sure. You can never predict injuries or production slippage.

What would a reasonable extension look like for Jo this offseason? 5 years, $75 million? That would take him thru his age-31 season and set him up for another contract after. What’s the price in 2028 if Adell backs up this season with 2 more 35+ HR, .800+ OPS seasons?

I’m offering these extensions in the offseason:
— Neto = 8 years, $200 million
— Soriano = 7 years, $120 million
— Adell = 5 years, $75 million

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Angelz4ever

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I agree, but $%$$ing Arte will read tea leaves and goof up all three possible extensions, as well as goof up extending Ward (Too long/much or not at all).

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YOUknowulovetheIE

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

5 years would be perfect. Paying for his prime time instead of paying him after age 34.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

I think Neto has proven himself these past few years as a good hitting, good fielding short stop, so I’d extend him without question. I have doubts about Adell though as this is the first time his hitting has been a positive (his OPS+ last year was 91). That said, 5/$75 million isn’t a boat anchor of a contract but I’m not sure he’d go for it.

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YOUknowulovetheIE

2 days ago

Reply to Born_in_59

You don’t sign adell, you end up watching teodosio or whatever the hell his name is playing of. Cool to watch in the of, but guy can’t hit worth a shit.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to YOUknowulovetheIE

The team will be signing Adell next year, I’m guessing for around $7M to $8M.

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Neto is my favorite player, he is a great asset to the team no doubt and I begged to the Baseball Gods that PTP draft him. But If I owned the team, I would never do an eight-year deal with nobody or a seven-year deal with any pitcher. The odds of those players lasting at their prime that long are very low indeed, especially with a pitcher.

What has Soriano done to warrant that type of deal. When he can show consistency start after start then he is worth even more per year but never for more than five-years tops. For other than Maddox or Randy Johnson or Steve Carlton, there are very few if any pitchers that hold up for 7 years a top production level.

Neto is a very good player and again with no doubt could even improve his game, but do you really believe that any player is worth 8 seasons? Neto has shown that like Trout in 2016 through 2019 that little injuries have an effect on over all playing time.

As far as Adell goes, there is simply no track record to base time and money into the equation. Is this his career year? Or is this the start of something sustainable?

The Angels have played with stupid money way to often and it is very evident that the team is left holding the bag and it changes the future outcomes. I would rather pay a few million more per year but for less years.

Nobody is right if everybody is wrong. Teams that foolishly sign long term deals like Machado-Harper etc. are betting against themselves for future success of the team’s future. The win now and worry later is imho a recipe to disaster. The owners are going to want a payroll cap and floor in a little over a year, so spending big money in what will be a long sike potentially is something to consider also.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

An 8-year deal this winter would take Neto thru his age-32 season. If that type of commitment makes you uncomfortable, how would you feel when he hits FA at 28 years old and asks for an 8-year mega deal paying him until he’s 36?

RE Soriano: pay him before he breaks out.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Yup. You have to risk “old age” at 33 years old if you want to get those late twenties seasons for numbers that don’t start with 35.

Or trade him to someone who will.

But waiting till he’s almost 30 so that you can pay him 35M a year through his age 39 season just isn’t smart…. look at it this way, FAs and extensions will both fail. I’d rather have a group of players fail at 25-27M a year on average than 37M, which is what Neto’s gonna cost by 2028.

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FungoAle

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Ok with an extension. Offensive producing SS are a premium and Neto is good enough with the glove.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Soriano at an average of 17M per year for 7 years? I’d take that. Even if he fades, he’s only signed through his age 31 season. His current season would cost well over 25M as a FA. He’ll likely get 17M for at least a couple of those arb years as it stands. Hell, I’d average him out at 20M a year for 7 years. He’s gonna be worth that over that amount of time even if he is “old” at age 31.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

I can understand the reluctance to commit to that many years but it’s the reality of today’s sports contracts. Signing Neto now for 8 years would be a steal if you look at other contracts. Corey Seager signed at age 28 for 10 years and $325M, though he’s been worth it so far even with injuries.

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Roy Hobbs

1 day ago

Reply to Born_in_59

You can’t compare Neto to Corey Seager.

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Roy Hobbs

1 day ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Corey Seager is an elite player, Neto is not. Neto is a good player at this point.

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Born_in_59

1 day ago

Reply to Roy Hobbs

Was Corey considered elite at age 24?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

1 day ago

Reply to Born_in_59

Dunno. Our boy Zach’s fairly similar over his first two seasons. Just a little bit less good.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

I’d sign Neto in the same way KC signed Witt to build around. The others, not so much. Year to year is fine with me.

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milehigh

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Not with Arte’s money. I would be surprised to see any extensions. Especially with a possible lockout coming.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to milehigh

Yup. I am fine with those extensions in theory. One of the best things about wasting money on a young player who fails after an extension is that they can still fix things and be good. Or semi-fix things and maybe be overpaid, but still be a good platoon player. Players young and old get hurt. But young players don’t fall off a cliff as much when they do.

It’s smarter than paying Cedric Mullins. It would be even smarter if the “expensive depth” insurance plan was coupled with a solid farm system that had position players ready to platoon and play multiple spots to mitigate if one of those extension players flails….

But I do think that the work stoppage may be a major issue…. just shrugging your shoulders and pissing away 60M isn’t something I expect Arte to do.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Arturo will stroke out when he sees those numbers.

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Eric_in_Portland

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

That’s about $57 mil total per year. Where would that money come from? Assuming Arte wants to keep expenses where they are, those 3 plus Trout plus Rendon plus Kikuchi would leave about $50 mil for the rest of the team.

It’s more like Arte to wait until Rendon is off the books so extensions would wait until after 2026

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toad2065

2 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

$50 million should be plenty.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to Eric_in_Portland

If Arte has any foresight ability he’d pay these 3 young guys before they become more and more expensive.

Knowing Arte like we do, he’ll settle for the long term pain for short term gain of paying less in the next few years

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Kevin

2 days ago

Halos finally got some timely hits yesterday. It’s amazing how runs get scored when that happens. This is why all of the strikeouts are a real problem and guys that can make contact matter.

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toad2065

2 days ago

Reply to Kevin

Yesterday’s line-up was pretty young and ego-free and they played some smart, clean baseball. Who’da thunk it?

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Mike Trout is on the DL with a skin infection? ………….. Oh shit!!! Mike Trout contracted leprosy!!!!!

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