LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Loss in Texas

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WallyChuckChili

2 days ago

White Sox to promote Edgar Quero

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Angelz4ever

2 days ago

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He’s not injured again?

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

The boys have to hold it down for a few games and then Big Papa will be home and get us right.

“Ron Washington said the #Angels haven’t discussed when Zach Neto will return just yet. There’s an outside chance he could back as soon as tomorrow or Friday’s series opener against the Giants at Angel Stadium”

https://x.com/RhettBollinger/status/1912628907196502237?t=iFiSCNYg1vVbTq7vwkdlGA&s=19

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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It will be Friday if he comes out of tonights game unscathed

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

2 days ago

McDaniel’s updated draft ranking as of today:

50 FV tier
1. Jamie Arnold (21.2), LHP, Florida State

45+ FV tier
2. Eli Willits (17.6), SS, Fort Cobb-Broxton HS (OK), Oklahoma commit
3. Billy Carlson (19.0), SS, Corona HS (CA), Tennessee commit
4. Ethan Holliday (18.3), 3B, Stillwater HS (OK), Oklahoma State commit
5. Aiva Arquette (21.7), SS, Oregon State
6. Kyson Witherspoon (20.9), RHP, Oklahoma
7. Seth Hernandez (19.0), RHP, Corona HS (CA), Vanderbilt commit
8. Gavin Fien (18.2), 3B, Great Oak HS (CA), Texas commit

45 FV tier
9. Marek Houston (21.2), SS, Wake Forest
10. Wehiwa Aloy (21.4), SS, Arkansas
11. Kade Anderson (21.0), LHP, LSU
12. Liam Doyle (21.0), LHP, Tennessee
13. Steele Hall (17.9), SS, Hewitt-Trussville HS (AL), Tennessee commit
14. Josh Hammond (18.8), 3B, Wesleyan Christian HS (NC), Wake Forest commit
15. Kayson Cunningham (19.0), SS, Johnson HS (TX), Texas commit
16. JoJo Parker (18.8), SS, Purvis HS (MS), Mississippi State commit
17. Daniel Pierce (18.9), SS, Mill Creek HS (GA), Georgia commit
18. Jace LaViolette (21.6), RF, Texas A&M
19. Xavier Neyens (18.7), 3B, Mount Vernon HS (WA), Oregon State commit
20. Gavin Kilen (21.2), 2B, Tennessee
21. Zach Root (21.4), LHP, Arkansas
22. Tyler Bremner (21.2), RHP, UC Santa Barbara
23. Cam Appenzeller (18.5), LHP, Glenwood HS (IL), Tennessee commit
24. Alex Lodise (21.4), SS, Florida State
25. Brendan Summerhill (21.7), CF, Arizona
26. Marcus Phillips (21.0), RHP, Tennessee
27. Slater de Brun (18.1), CF, Summit HS (OR), Vanderbilt commit
28. Ethan Conrad (21.0), RF, Wake Forest
29. Luke Stevenson (21.0), C, North Carolina
30. Jordan Yost (18.5), SS, Sickles HS (FL), Florida commit
31. Sean Gamble (18.9), 2B, IMG Academy HS (FL), Vanderbilt commit
32. Tate Southisene (18.8), SS, Basic HS (NV), USC commit
33. Charles Davalan (21.6), CF, Arkansas
34. Aaron Watson (18.5), RHP, Trinity Christian HS (FL), Virginia commit
35. Mason Neville (21.5), CF, Oregon
36. Dean Curley (21.1), SS, Tennessee
37. Matthew Fisher (19.3), RHP, Evansville Memorial HS (IN), Indiana commit

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

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From the 30 minutes of highlights I’ve watched, I cannot be convinced Arnold > Hernandez.

Thank you for the share !

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Wow. He really digs the high school boys…. plus he’s got Kade Anderson on the rise.

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Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy

2 days ago

Wash running out basically the same lineup after getting shutout by Tyler Mahle is CRAAAAAZY. We are such an unserious org sometimes.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Remember when Mike Clevinger was like “Those stupid Angels. They wouldn’t let me do me. I had my own thoughts on how to throw shit. I developed myself my way baby!”?

And we were like “He’s soo right. We are a joke. I hate Arte.” and then we tucked our balls and put on our silk kimono?

And now his arm has been made of twenty year old rubber bands for a few years?

I do.

At least we didn’t trade for him like the Padres did.

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WallyChuckChili

2 days ago

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You had Silk?

Must be nice…

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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Only the best when I tuck it in and sing about my heartbreak n Arte into a hair brush…..

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TrojanBoiler

2 days ago

d’Arnaud batting 5th again today

What in the actual F are we doing?

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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O’Hoppe must be O’Hurt

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

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He’s got some kind of stomach virus, according to the reports yesterday.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Maybe he got the COVID Omega?

https://x.com/JeffFletcherOCR/status/1912613662076121327

But I think its more this:

https://x.com/Jared_Tims/status/1912607491185340728

D’Arnaud has historically destroyed Left Handers

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

Washington thinks all catchers should bat fifth in his lineup, apparently.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

And or alternate options are?…..

I’ll take my answer off the air.

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TrojanBoiler

2 days ago

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I would bump up the three spots below him

5) Schanuel
6) Paris
7) Adell
8) d’Arnaud
9) Backup SS

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Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy

2 days ago

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Paris
Rengifo
Trout
Ward
Soler
Schaunel
Adell
Darnau’d
Newman

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

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I would go with that for a change although Soler has been hot so I would probably flip him and Ward.

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Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy

2 days ago

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Yea try it out for a game our two.. see how it works.. if it sucks.. change it. Don’t keep running out the same lineup tho.

Once Logan is back that lineup is actually pretty deep which is what “stresses” pitchers most.

Soon, While we will likely never see it but we could have something like:

Paris
Neto
Trout
Ward
Soler
Shanuel
O’hoppe
Rengifo
Adell

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TrojanBoiler

2 days ago

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d’Arnaud is batting .091 this year. He hit .238 last year. Strikeout rate has been 26% since last year.

Not a 5 hole hitter.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

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And 70-something Washington is not a master tactician as a manager.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Thank you Charlie Sheen

“Angels prospect George Klassen had a stretch today of eight whiffs on nine pitches(!) where he struck out a trio on 10 total pitches after surrendering a run, pure insanity in the tank once you get to it — today with AA Rocket City: 5 IP, 1 R, 0 BB, 8 K, 41.8 CSW%, 25.3 SwS%”

https://x.com/TaylorBlakeWard/status/1912559376675795360?t=orlP3xyXKz7y4a0L-FW3RQ&s=19

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Charlie Sheen is right – in Klassen’s first outing he put on 11 batters via HBP, walk and hits in just over two innings.

At the moment, it’s impossible to know which Klassen shows up – it’s either a first division ace or a high-A washout each appearance, almost binary depending on the day.

More consistent at present are the lefties at Rocket City: Aldegheri in the rotation, and Natera J and Farris out of the pen (though one hopes either or both join the rotation soon if they keep up current performance).

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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Sammy the Natty?

You mean another failed Perry draft pick who’s given up a grand total of 2 earned runs and struck out 49 batters in his last 31 innings of A+, AFL & AA ball?

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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I’ve never called Natera Jr a failed Perry draft pick?

Natera Jr is the sort of Day Three lotto ticket selection you hope works out every 20th time – he had a shoulder injury and a college ERA near 7 but a regional scout liked his fastball. He’s 25 in AA, and basically reinvented himself last season, much like Paris did in the offseason, after three years of shoulder and elbow rehab. But a 17th round selection isn’t typically a selection that the GM is going to have close contact on, any more than the UDFAs that follow.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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I didnt say you did. But considering PTP’s 2022 Draft:

Neto, Joyce,Dana, Natera and possibly Mederos that has to be one of the best drafts from that year so to say that

“Other than Neto, Minasian has a poor track record WRT the draft”.

as ML has said is, IMNHO is pure ignorance.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Meanwhile, Christian Moore had himself a day: 4 plate appearances, 4 Ks swinging. Swinging, sigh.

This is when you start to sweat if you’re Perry Minasian. That K rate is approaching 40%, a lot of the whiff in-zone. It was 34% in spring training, and 34% the final three weeks at AA last year. Moore’s pitch recognition is troubling at the moment.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

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Yea…. it was evident to me during ST how far away CMo really is with the bat and glove.

TT, do you see any obvious adjustments he can make at the plate or is this who he is at his core? Big power, bigger swing-and-miss

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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There are little things you could clean up – he’s always been criticized for a wide set-up with no stride – but there are more fundamental problems here, starting with offspeed recognition. There’s too much chase, and in-zone contact % is too low for even a second division regular at this point.

These red flags were there in college play, btw – but the Angels seem more taken with the batted ball data and college outcomes than swing analysis.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

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Other than Neto, Minasian has a poor track record WRT the draft. I would think he would be sweating a lot of things, but Arturo seems quite comfortable sticking with him as a low cost option.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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Other than Neto, Minasian has a poor track record WRT the draft.

Compared to whom?

The Jedi?
Billy Eppler?
Tony Reagins?
Eddie Bane?
Branch Rickey?

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Cowboy26

I’m comparing him to someone who could’ve done better during the period he has held the position. Who exactly has Minasian drafted who has helped the team. I think I’d compare him unfavorably to Eric From Portland or Turk’s Teeth, for example. And I incorporate by reference what Turk said just below this.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

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So this is a theoretical discussion based upon an imaginary GM who surely must be much smarter than PTP because TT, EiP and other pundits here think so?

Got it.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

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Yes, it would be a theoretical discussion based on the fact that the reality hasn’t worked out so well for us. It’s called an opinion and being a fan, I think everyone is entitled to have one, or more. If you don’t think our discussions or opinions have any value, why do you participate?

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Bane produced the best draft by WAR in 2009 in roughly a quarter of a century. He went deep prep in 2010 and didn’t have the same success, but almost any draft room in the MLB would take that variability when the peak was so high. His first draft (Weaver/Adenhart/Trumbo/Maldonado) was also excellent, and he made some selections like Matt Harvey (2nd round) in later drafts that were extremely clever, but which Moreno blew by not meeting his price.

All drafts have volatile outcomes, but Bane was an excellent talent evaluator – which is why he was quickly hired as special assistant to the GM for the Red Sox within a year after Reagins canned him.

Dipoto has had a fairly long run of success with drafting and development in Seattle, building what’s generally seen to be one of the top three pitching factories in the MLB, and taking Seattle’s farm from a bottom three farm to a top five farm in three years flat.

In Anaheim, he often didn’t have a first or second round selection, due to the CBA and Moreno’s FA acquisition spree, so there were few drafts to really assess his acumen.

Bavasi and Stoneman were hit or miss, but each acquired some key pieces for the 2002 championship and the 2004-2009 golden stretch.

Eppler and Reagins were not very good.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

What do you think of Minasian as a GM so far when it comes to the Farm System via the draft.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I give him a C.

The all-arms draft was a clear bust. 2022 was a solid average draft, with a nice hit on Neto (who was also the top of my board when the Angels selected that year). I had several names ahead of Schanuel and Moore in ’23-24.

I think his draft team has had some success in identifying prep and Latin American deep cuts, but a lot of his college picks outside the first round have been low ceiling taxi squad types, and bullpen arms heavy on velocity.

I know that there’s some premature secondguessing on guys like Shaw of the Cubs, but take a look at the first 60 MLB plate appearances of guys like Trout, Witt Jr and Judge – they all struggled too. Three weeks of MLB ball don’t define a player.

I’d still select Shaw or Teel (BPA at the time Angels selected) over Schanuel in 2023, and guys like Cam Smith, Braden Montgomery or even Yesavage over Moore in 2024.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

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Thanks. Are you satisfied with him or would you look for someone better?

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I’m a farm watcher, focused more on amateur and young professional talent than the big team, so I’ll always be biased toward wanting more and better from the draft and development teams.

I think Minasian’s early draft record is mediocre, and when a team has one of the three worst farms in baseball, and an owner who is only willing to spend big in free agency every five years, the one place the org needs to excel is player drafting and development. So they really need a GM who is better than a C in that dept.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

I appreciate your thoughtful answer, and I agree with you.

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PedroCerrano

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

Nice synopsis. The issues with the organization seem to be deeply rooted at the top. Since the CIA isn’t likely to induce an Angels regime change anytime soon, we may be stuck in low gear. That aside, I agree as well.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

So I’m confused is it the GM and not the scouting director or it is the scouting director and not the GM that is most responsible ?

Dipoto’s “fairly long run of success” in the amateur draft has been precipitated by a horrible 9 year stretch between 2 teams that yielded a total of

Cal Raleigh
George Kirby
Taylor Ward
2 turntables and a microphone

Now you can argue that he didnt have first rounders for 2 of those drafts but other than Kirby & Ward how many of those 7 other first rounders even generated positive WAR?

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

But the worst thing about Arturo is he won’t recognize our value and intelligence. I hate him.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

It’s only worrying if you bought into the “He’ll be up in days”. thing. If we’d drafted him and we all said “see you in a couple years” we’d just understand that he needs plenty of work. Even if he takes 2 years to make our roster that’s fairly fast.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Eh, I didn’t really buy into his MLB readiness in such a short window, but by all indications, the Angels were planning to call him up before he hurt his knee last year. So there was every reason to buy into the team’s aggressive promotion.

What’s worrying is that the underlying issues aren’t remedied by a Parisian swing fix or greater familiarity with pitching arsenals. He’s having more fundamental issues of not recognizing breaking stuff, and swinging through fairly pedestrian fastballs.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Yup. He has plenty of nice abilities, but they are gonna need to work him hard on his hit tool. Probably his swing at least a little too. I expect him to take a while. Not six years, but not six weeks either.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

All I read was that Perry is stupid.

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red floyd

2 days ago

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And Arte is cheap and evil.

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WallyChuckChili

2 days ago

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Cheap’0 Moren’0!

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HalosFanForLife

2 days ago

If you’re a scout – what’s your 20/80 grade on Rengifo’s defense? Clearly closer to 40 than 50. I think Pujols ran the bases better his last 5 years than Rengifo plays defense.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

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This is why we have coined the term: Rengifo giveth and Rengifo taketh away. By the way, he usually is good for a few base running blunders per season in important games too.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

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Probably 45 at second and third. Fwiw, Rengifo’s recent defense on the dirt has been largely neutral – +/-1 run – among common defensive metrics like total zone and OAA. At least not as significantly negative as his fan reputation suggests. In fact he might be league average at 2b.

The defensive metrics are more skeptical of him at SS and in the corner OF positions.

I think there’s definitely some observer’s bias here. Rengifo makes a lot more of the routine plays than he’s given credit for, and some of the plays that fans expect him to make are more low-probability than they may concede (or can know just from eyeballing it). He makes some self-evident boners that last long in the memory, but in aggregate, I don’t think they happen as frequently as Angels fans may think.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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I seriously think Rengifo’s problem is that he “looks stupid”. He may be average, but when he screws up it just looks really bad for some reason.

And we’re hypersensitive to his screw ups. Because FAN is short for smooth brains or something.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

“And we’re hypersensitive to his screw ups.”

This is what I think, yes. Fans used to be the same way with Chone Figgins, another super-ute who was volatile in small samples when they moved him around the field. But when they stuck him at 3b for two straight years, he became an elite defender there.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Do you think he’d get to the Figgins level if we left him there for two years? It’s not like we’ve got way better options the way the team is currently constructed. The only other option we have is Moncada, which doesn’t seem like much of an option.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to MarineLayer

I don’t know, but I’ve thought it’s worth a shot for the past couple seasons. Rengifo has the arm for 3b, has decent range, and enough linedrive power to justify the placement.

A lot of his blunders there are due to wild throws across the diamond or not handling bunts optimally, but those are things that can improve with repetition.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

Agreed. I also think if we are trying to evaluate whether we want to keep and sign him, or trade him for pieces, it makes sense to stick him there every day until the trade deadline to evaluate what we’ve got. Then we let Paris have 2B every day and evaluate him too. No one else on the roster will be part of any rebuild at those positions, so it’s logical to see if they are part of the solution, or part of the problem.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

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They WILL try to bunt him to death at some point if we move him there. So we’d have to not have too many 60+ incensed men stroke out and die while he sorts through that…. could be dangerous. Could be for the best.

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HalosFanForLife

2 days ago

I know – down by two in the 8th – let’s run with Trout on deck. Who made that decision? Absolutely terrible.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

By CtPG Guy standards it’s become pretty clear that both Cam Smith and Matt Shaw are washed and busted. We should offer both the Cubs and Astros Jack Dashwood for them. Maybe a little Barret Kent action?

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

The batting line up is now under the microscope, time to be normal about the line up I believe. Switch Paris to the leadoff spot and see what happens. Just a thought, maybe for about a week or two, seems a waste as how he is being wasted now. Go with the hot hand.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

Is he still the hot hand?

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TrojanBoiler

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Now that he’s not, its the perfect time to move him up in the batting order.

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to TrojanBoiler

I’m not sure where you can hide yet another high K guy in this lineup. Since Washington seems to have no desire to run him (see last night’s game) no advantage for putting him near the top.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Zach Neto is ready to be called up.
Source – me.

Trout’s last 16 PAs:
1 HR
1 single
8 strikeouts
1 walk

for the season:
.186 BA
.296 OBP
.508 SLG
11 hits to 16 strikeouts is pathetic, I’m sorry. I love Trouty, but come on

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Trout will figure it out, the power is still there, the bat speed is not there for 98 mph fastballs and the change is killing him because of having problems with the fastball. He will figure it out by adjusting.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to GrandpaBaseball

2023 – present

476 ABs
.244 BA
116 hits
147 strikeouts

We’ve been waiting for that adjustment for 2+ years. Maybe it’s time to admit his hit tool is no longer elite? I’m just thinking out loud here.

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clover_black

2 days ago

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I don’t want to admit trout is in decline because i remember when trout was young and if he was young at one point this means that i too am in tremendous decline and OH GOD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

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Never!

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MarineLayer

2 days ago

Reply to clover_black

Mike Trout has been my favorite Angel of All Time. An obvious first ballot Hall of Famer. Unfortunately, the current decline is what it is. We spent most of Pujols contract watching the decline from MLB’s best hitter of a previous era into the middling DH he became during his Angels run. Now we can watch the same thing with Trout. At least he doesn’t have a chronic foot injury that makes it impossible for him to move, but his body is getting more brittle so I’m anticipating continuing injuries from him as well. Once Soler’s contract expires, he can settle into his DH semi-retirement phase. Right field hasn’t been working out very well so far.

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Mikeal1st

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Maybe it would have been fair if he’d finished out these years in St. Louis?

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HalosFanForLife

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Trout’s also got a terrible BABIP right now. He hit several line drives right to people. It’s a long season. He’ll be fine. Still a solid plus OPS.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to HalosFanForLife

Forsure. I posted about his BABIP on Monday.

The low BA, high strikeout, big power profile is a multi-year trend. There’s little data to support he’ll get back to being a .280 – .300 hitter.

Mortal Mike isn’t as much fun as MVP Mike.

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

True, but Mortal Mike is more fun than Josh Hamilton, Matt Joyce, Rafael Ortega, Ben Revere or Justin Upton. We likely won’t see MVP Mike again, except in flashes, but I’ll settle for Mortal Mike over most of the players the team has put on the outfield grass.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Born_in_59

I almost forgot about Upton…. yet another asshole that went out there and got hurt over and over again and was never the same because he doesn’t love baseball enough. Total cancer.

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

“There’s little data to support he’ll get back to being a .280 – .300 hitter.”

Well, his bat speed and sprint speed are still well above average, and his xBA is close to .260 right now, speaking to bad luck on balls in play. .260 is not that far from .280 when we’re talking just over 50 plate appearances. Stats are shallow enough right now that a stretch of 2-3 games could change a lot.

Keep in mind that Schanuel’s BABIP decreased twenty points in a single game yesterday – that’s how small the sample is right now that people are generalizing from.

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Pineapple12

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

I’m going off a .244 average over his last 476 at bats and he’s 33 years old. Idk man

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Turk's Teeth

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

He’s was quite banged up last season. The question is what he’s capable of when healthy – and a lot of underlying swing metrics – barrel, bat speed – suggests he’s better than his last 70 PAs.

I mean, c’mon, he has a .128 BABIP right now, despite barrel rates in the top 10% of MLB players, and his walk and K rates being better than in 2022 when he hit .283.

That BABIP is 150 pts lower than league averages, and Trout has above league average stats in many of the statcast metrics that would suggest average or better batting average. That BABIP is a whole lot of bad luck and good opponent defense right now. It’ll even out if Trout stays healthy.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Turk's Teeth

It’s true. we kind of need to see what healthy 30+ year old Trout who isn’t learning a new defensive position looks like. He is still very strong and fast. It’s just that HIT TOOL. I honestly hope it’s just that he needs to see a few hundred pitches and get his brain going at MLB speed again.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to Pineapple12

Man, they have got to figure out what’s wrong with Trout because he is just NOT a very good hitter. I love him so I want to make excuses for him. I hope it is just having taken LOTS of time off for three years. But he sucks. If his name wasn’t Trout I’d be like “this guy needs more work”. Sure, he can hide behind a high HR rate for a little while, but he’s getting owned by pitchers that aren’t that good pretty regularly now.

I hope what I’m seeing is just very cold Trout. But guys with fairly average velo are handling him with pretty standard pitch mixing. I have no way of knowing, but maybe the “star treatment” where he kind of handles his own business needs to end and he needs some extra coaching? Cause if handling a 95 MPH high fastball is something you can’t really do then you’re not an MLB hitter for long anymore.

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

Power Rankings are funny stuff, One site this week has us at #21 and another has us at #9. It only really matters at the end though.

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Angelz4ever

2 days ago

Offensive loss yesterday, let’s churn the page and get a win tonight.

Go Halos!!

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Kevin

2 days ago

Halos have lost two in a row. Let’s hope they break the streak today. We don’t need things going sideways already.

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steelgolf

2 days ago

Reply to Kevin

I remember someone once said that games don’t matter as much in April!

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

2 days ago

The average MLB fielding percentage is around .985. This means that for every 100 chances a player has to handle a batted or thrown ball, they successfully do so 98.5 times on average.

Rengifo’s career fielding percentage is .969. This means he should be a DH and not a starting position player.

Less Rengifo in the field is more.

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Angelz4ever

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Doesn’t matter as you can never win a baseball game when you don’t score.

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GrandpaBaseball

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Rengifo is not a good fielder, never was and never will be. He will cost the team games in the field. Many here at CtPG love him as he is a play with potential and has been for years, but oh so inconsistent is he. As a utility player he is fine, as a starter not so much. The Angels Always seemingly need a third baseman in their long history. Hope we draft a SS so maybe we will resolve the 3b issue soon.

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Roy Hobbs

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

True, but we have to get rid of him 1st, and unfortunately, we have no one on the roster who can play league average 3B and hit their weight.

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

C’mon man… he’s a middle infielder. You’re being willfully dense if you put his career fielding % up against the left-fielders and first basemen of the world. Take that .969 and compare it career %s on the all-time shortstop list, for instance, and it’s right in the middle. Trea Turner-esque. If you look at defensive runs saved and other stats, he’s better than average most seasons.

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/fielding_perc_ss_career.shtml

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grichmanpoorman

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

And soooooo much better than Jack Glasscock’s .914 career number.

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red floyd

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Yeah, but I understand single women loved him!

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jco

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

I was going to make a similar point. Last year he had a fielding % a little higher than the average 3B and a little lower than the average 2B.

Don’t rely on fielding percentage because it misses too much of the relevant information. Did you know that our own Brian Downing is listed at baseball reference as first all time among left fielders in fielding percentage. Downing was one of my favorite players and he was very sure handed, but he was not anywhere close to the best defensive LF of all time.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to jco

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Downing was the best everything ever and I loaf him.

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Twebur

2 days ago

Reply to gitchogritchoffmypettis

Brian Downing’s cameo appearance on the TV show “The Jeffersons”…..he won an Emmy.

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gitchogritchoffmypettis

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

It is true that Rengifo is not a GOOD defender. It’s also true that, over all he’s not BAD. It’s also also true that there are some pretty experienced evaluators judging him that work for MLB teams. It is extremely true that, if he were a huge over all liability the first guy you’d see pissed off about it is the manager.

But hey. What do these people know? CoachDad has declared that Rengifo is a clutz. It is true, when Rengifo sucks, for what ever reason, it LOOKS really funky and dumb. Also a problem, he is three degrees removed from preventing Paris from being able to start at six positions. Paris is CoachDad’s new son. This is a problem, not being Paris.

This will all be solved when we trade Rengifo for a couple prospects that CoachDad can focus his ire upon and help with constant input.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky

2 days ago

Reply to grichmanpoorman

Over his 7 MLB seasons, he’s made 58 errors. The breakdown is:

2B: 26 errors
3B: 16 errors
SS: 14 errors
OF: 2 errors

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Born_in_59

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Let’s have a little more context:
2B: chances 1223 errors 26 fld pct .979 league fld pct .982
3B: chances 305 errors 16 fld pct .948 league fld pct .962
SS: chances 267 errors 14 fld pct .948 league fld pct .972
OF: chances 68 errors 2 fld pct .971 league fld pct .988

At 2B he seems around average and while below average elsewhere Rengifo is not a complete disaster like Gary Sheffield and Ryan Braun were.

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jco

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

Rengifo isn’t a dominant defender, but he’s somewhere close to average at both 2B and 3B.

This list of errors really doesn’t show anything because there’s no context to them. For his first 7 seasons as a cardinal, Ozzie Smith had 107 errors (while winning 7 GG). During his prime years of 1964-1970, Brooks Robinson committed 98 errors at 3B while winning 7 Gold Gloves. Bill Mazeroski who is sometimes regarded as the best defensive 2B of all time, committed 109 errors while winning 6 gold gloves between 1961 and 1967.

If you’re averse to the more advanced numbers (which show Rengifo between average to slightly below average at 2B and 3B), then why not look at range factor which simply averages plays made per 9 innings. At 2B, Rengifo has averaged making 4.29 plays per 9 innings during his career while the league average has been 4.08 plays per 9innings. At 3B, Rengifo has averaged making 2.81 plays per 9 while the league average has been 2.55.

When he’s played SS, Rengifo has graded pretty poorly. Neither the advanced numbers nor the classic numbers show Rengifo to have been anything other than a poor defensive SS. The numbers aren’t great in the OF either, but he hasn’t played there much. I would guess that he would be a decent OF if he were assigned the task full-time.

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Cowboy26

2 days ago

Reply to Senator_John_Blutarsky

have you seen our lineup? We got alot them DH types

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