Angels cook up a cRISPy LOBsterfest in late-innings loss to Twins

Angels 4 Twins 5

Fresh off a narrow win yesterday, the Angels sought to run the same playbook on Friday night at Target Field. It didn’t start off so bad, but the ending left much to be desired.

In the first inning, Halos backstop Kurt Suzuki connected for a 2-run homer off Minnesota Twins’ veteran J.A. Happ. The following inning, playing time beneficiary Jack Mayfield continued his recent success with a dinger of his own. The Angels, off to a quick 4-0 start, wouldn’t score another run the remainder of the game.

It wouldn’t have been a problem if Alex Cobb and co. kept runners off the basepaths (the staff allowed 13 hits and 2 walks). They did not do that.

It wouldn’t have been a problem if Halos hitters hit more than 2-14 (.143 BA) with runners in scoring position. They did not do that.

It wouldn’t have been a problem if Tony Watson, Raisel Iglesias, and Kurt Suzuki combined to close the door in the 8th inning. After several Twins hits, a Ryan Jeffers single to left field (a .637 OPS hitter on the season!!) was enough to score two baserunners. The latter was courtesy of a Kurt Suzuki throwing error from home to third base. In other words, not good.

The loss wasn’t the bad part. The bad part was that the Angels lost in a rather predictable way, with a competitive game slipping from within their fingertips once again. They lost one of the few trade chips they have to injury (as Alex Cobb exited the game in the sixth inning with a blister).

Hope early and heartbreak late. Maybe that’s what’s in their DNA.

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Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago

Detmers tomorrow for Salt Lake City.

red floyd
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2 years ago

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UtahAlumnus
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2 years ago

Wow that minor league article.

Chap24
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2 years ago

Iglesias deserves a pass. Been lights out. Still can’t believe Cishek, Guerra and Claudio are still on the team tho..🤦🏽‍♂️

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago

I sometimes think Arte would rather not have any minor league teams

eyespy
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2 years ago

They are a burden and make no money at all

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  2002heaven

Why have you put up an image of Mike Myers 2040?

red floyd
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2 years ago

LOL. Actually, in this case, he may have a point. That’s Donald Sterling.

2002heaven may have found his nut.

Last edited 2 years ago by red floyd
eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  2002heaven

Don’t get the relation to my comment, please explane.

MH252525
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2 years ago

there were serious rumors he was going to go super cheap on the last draft. Baseball insiders were actually surprised we ended up with a pretty normal draft.

MH252525
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

by last draft I mean 2020 draft, the one they took Detmers in

Cowboy26
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

WTF is a baseball insider? The asshat Jim Bowden ?

MH252525
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2 years ago

CTPG staff! Can we please have a pinned post detailing Arte’s treatment of his minor leaguers and a place for us to comment about it. I think it needs more than just a link in our daily news page. I’m interested to see what Perry’s fix is b/c Arte is so cheap, but he loves optics so the more we throw on this the more likely they might make real changes.

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Apparently it is widespread in MLB. ESPN doesn’t like Moreno because he is a Trump supporter. That is why he is singled out. This doesn’t mean I don’t want Moreno gone because he is a horrible owner much like about 20 other ones in MLB.

MH252525
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I think there is some truth in that but Arte also has gone above and beyond other teams in pinching pennies. He fired all his scouts like twice when other teams didn’t. Other teams provide their players with decent meals and accomadations. I know the Cleveland owner is cheap but the Angels minor leaguer that was most vocal made it sound like he was way better taken care of in every other organization he’s been in.

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

What happened from the Arte from 2003-2010, to the one from 2011-2021? He wasn’t like this in the first few seasons. Something happened at the beginning of last decade that changed him.

MH252525
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Just speculation but I think the Hamilton contract and Pujols contracts to a much lesser extent have soured him on some things.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Probably so. Espcially cokehead

MarineLayer
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

And now RenDone.

matthiasstephan
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2 years ago
Reply to  MarineLayer

I really can’t see Rendon, Wilson or any other contracts that don’t work out for predictable, baseball related reasons being a problem. That is a risk within the scope of business.

Hamilton though – who came in (supposedly) on personal assurances to Arte, and where the failure was about personal responsibility (either Hamilton’s to control his addiction, or perhaps worse Arte’s to acknowledge hiring someone with an addiction that couldn’t predictably be controlled) changes his attitude, and limits his willingness to take on that kind of risk.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

You would hope someone in his position would learn something after making deals like that, add CJ Wilson to that list, but nooooooooooo, he just keeps on not knowing nuthin’ and. Arte you are a Morano.

So much success. So much wealth. So much power squandered in your silly ideas, and foolish friends. You are ruining something that was finally successful.

Like everything else you do in life, you get full credit for this. That is the kind of man you are.

DaveChalk
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Lol, so he turns around and offers a suspect deal to Rendon. I think Moreno is all surface. He will spend if he perceives $$$ return (the major league talent) and clearly doesn’t see the return on minor league and staff investment in same light. He is the guy who will buy luxury brand names just so he can show off to his buddies

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

But yet he scored the FSW TV cable deal which at the time the biggest in MLB history. Who the hell is advising him? He won’t hire a POBO, the man’s making more damm bank than his predecessors ( Disney & the Autry’s ever dreamed of ) he inherited one of the strongest farms just 3 yrs into his ownership. The TB D-Rays, A’s, Guardians…LOL!!, Brewers, and I dunno how long the joyride down in SD is gonna last but they’re at $161M ( just signed Fernando Tatis Jr to a huge long term deal ).
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/moneyball-the-san-diego-padres-take-payroll-to-new-heights/2564744/#:~:text=The%20Padres%20total%20payroll%20for,payrolls%20compared%20with%20recent%

steelgolf
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Maybe it is Carpino?

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

That would not surprise me one bit. The guy seems very arrogant. He is not someone I would trust with my business.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Just a yes man, lap dog, whipping boy.

That is why he has been around so long.

The Skaggs Trial will show everyone what kind of man this Arturo Moreno really is, and who are his real friends.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

He was always this way. It just takes time for all the mess to go putrid. You just didn’t notice it because things were still good in the beginning 9f his ownership

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

That Rocket City pitcher who’s been in other organizations made it clear that in his experience it’s an Angels thing.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

They are all bad

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

Not to get off topic but there is something seriously wrong in MLB. Moving the All star game, having a team change its name because people are offended by the name Indians. We are truly living in the end times.

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I don’t mind changing it from Indians. I mean if people are offended then it’s offensive. They got rid of that Chief Yahoo quickly and that was good. My problem is I think the new name is terrible. Maybe I’ll get used to it but for now it’s “what??”

eyespy
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2 years ago

I’m just calling the teams by the city they call home. So I cheer for Anaheim. Fuck you Arte.

DaveChalk
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2 years ago

I’m still convinced they chose it because it looked good in the old font on the merch.

Last edited 2 years ago by DaveChalk
Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

It’s almost like…people that support the former host of The Apprentice might not be good people?

Yeah, I think that checks out.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Politics, shuush

Mia
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Mia
2 years ago
Reply to  eyespy

What’s political about a former reality tv host?

Simba
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mia

Ideally, nothing.

2002heaven
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

So are two NFL owners ( Jacksonville & Houston’s owners are YKW supporters ).
Arte and Shahid Khan of the Jags are the only two non white team owners in the Big Three sports leagues. I haven’t seen much negative news about the Jags other than have sucked the past few years.

Charles Sutton
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2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

Why not do a Fanpost? We love when other people chip in. Weekend content is especially hard to come by, so that would be a good time for it.

Last edited 2 years ago by Charles Sutton
JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Who is that? It’s awesome !

Twebur
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

It runs like Goose when he plays in the outfield.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Funassyi, the Japanese Pear mascot

Charles Sutton
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Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Rahul Setty

Run away! Run away!

Christianhanson
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2 years ago

Why are we blaming the offense? Four runs is enough to win a baseball game.

WallyChuckChili
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2 years ago

Not with our Bullpen

Eric_in_Portland
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2 years ago

It started with Cishek’s horrible inning.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago

What? Cishek pitched a bad inning? That can’t possibly be true. Yeeeesh.

Twebur
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2 years ago

In the beginning Perry signed Horshack…..and it was bad.

steelgolf
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2 years ago
Reply to  Twebur

😆

DaveChalk
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2 years ago

The RISP make it a tough pill to swallow but I agree with you. The lineup we put on the field was putrid. Before the game started, I think many here would have gladly taken 4 runs from that lineup. Flipside of course is the Twins pitching mostly sucks.

Brent
Super Member
2 years ago

I hope this organization maes the playoffs this decade.

Christianhanson
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2 years ago
Reply to  Brent

no team that has there minor leaguers sleeping in cars is even going to SNIFF the postseason. I genuinely believe they do not make the postseason as long as Arte is owner. Considering he won’t allow a full blown rebuild, but its not even a rebuild. It is a philosophy of narcissism that flows from deep within the Angels organization. Its like a cancer that distorts reality and makes the game about the presentation and not the product. I don’t expect this team to play deep into October for a long, long time. I think Trouty plays his full career without a world series appearance. Just my opinion.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago

the “philosophy of narcissism that flows from deep within” (if there is such a thing, and I’m not sure there is) comes from one man and one man alone. His name is Arturo Moreno.

If that assessment is correct, and I’m not saying it is or isn’t, then all we can do is wait out his old age and anticipate his eventual death.

MH252525
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I don’t think Pujol’s moral character is all that great because I am confident he lied about his age to get a lot of his money, but at least he saw the DR Angels players in similar situations and helped them out a bit out of his own pocket. Well done Albert! Shohei sees tons of support staff around him incredibly underpaid I can only imagine and that led him to donate his HR Derby proceeds to them. Well done Shohei. Arte is Scrooge, he knows how little minor leaguers get paid, he sure as heck should have after Albert stepped in helped the DR players.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  MH252525

I agree with pretty much everything you say there. And I DO think Pujols is a good person, even if he did lie about his age, and I am not convinced he did.

And I am sure that more folks than just Albert and Shohei have seen the way things work with Arte. I’ve said it before, but the whole Skaggs/Kay situation is symptomatic of a sick system.

I do think there are good people around , people that care. I think Maddon cares. As much shit as people here give him and as much undeserved blame as he gets, I do think he would like to see things change, and, be one of the reasons it does change.

And, moreovoer, I think he can be. Despite the Arte mess I believe things can get better.

Last edited 2 years ago by JackFrost
steelgolf
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Perry said he was going to look into it, he will have to look into it and frame it in a way that the Arte, Carpino , Kuhl group green light it. Numbers, reports, with photos will need to be presented. Along with a solution with the benefits of that solution.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  steelgolf

The thing is, there ARE real benefits to solving this issue. It can save Arte MILLIONS if he builds a good farm. The powerpoint shouldn’t be that hard to make.

Ohhhhh. Deep evil hero thought here. What if PTP and friends, being from generally good orgs with good farms, aranged to have this whole situation highlighted so they could shift Arte and get to actual work on this stuff? Total baseless speculation we’d never find out about, but that would be dope.

Fleckstein
Trusted Member
2 years ago

If so bad timing. Reports about crappy conditions when you are still trying to sign draft picks is not smart.

matthiasstephan
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

That is probably true, but honestly most of the pitchers we drafted are already college pitchers. This is still a payday, and a chance to play. They can’t pick freely from the 30 MLB organizations anyway. And if it is true that most teams do this to some extent – then that is likely factored in by their agents already.

DaveChalk
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2 years ago

Remind me to never play chess with you. Moves within moves.

Last edited 2 years ago by DaveChalk
bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I don’t like Moreno but that is a very morbid assessment. The guy isn’t Hitler.

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Dude, I am not saying to go and poison him ! I am simply stating the facts.

The ownership will not change until Arte dies.

Do you dispute that?

Last edited 2 years ago by JackFrost
bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Not necessarily. Maybe all of this controversy will force him to sell. He doesn’t need to be an owner of a team. He could just go home and enjoy the rest of his life with his billion dollars.

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I don’t see any way that he sells. He is working on a huge land development deal to put office complexes all around the stadium. He wants to see that come to fruition.

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I thought the City of Anaheim was going to revisit that for some unknown reason? Why hasn’t it started yet?

JackFrost
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

I hadn’t heard that. I thought it was still in the works.

MH252525
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

I read they have to put it up for bid for housing development and it is likely that bid would be higher than Arte’s, however the city can still sell to Arte if they are willing to take a 75 million fine.

bradllee424
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2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

Jeff Fletcher had something on that about 10 days ago.

eyespy
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2 years ago
Reply to  bradllee424

Bids to buy out the reps are still pending. Needs more zeros.

eyespy
Super Member
2 years ago
Reply to  JackFrost

He will never sell. He’s about to build Artelandia

DaveChalk
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2 years ago

As a fan I would hate to see you turn out to be right but its sure looking likely that once the players and team he bought from the prior organization largely moved on and it truly became his team that this is what we get.