LA Angels Wednesday News Crash: Prospects are like a mystery box

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Angels News

The Angels lost again. Shocker. Thanks to untimely hitting. Daring today, aren’t we? And the bullpen gave up a late home run. Expect more of that this season.

Soler was DFA-ed. Watch him go back to the Braves and be good again.

Will Kikuchi pitch again? Yes. For the Bees. As for the MLB club, maybe?

The Angels currently have the worst team in Baseball, but not the least amount of FWAR. Given that most of the players traded were pitchers, that number may be more even now.

Now that the dust has settled, what does Fangraphs think of the Angels farm system? 18th. 2nd best in the AL West. Optimism!

Around Baseball

After all the hype, the Dodgers managed to lose yesterday with Skubal pitching. Are we sure he is on the Dodgers and not the Angels? Just kidding, I WISH the Angels had Skubal. Actually, I wanted Skubal back in 2020, I even have the trade calculator screenshot to prove it. See?

What could have been…

Meanwhile the Tigers are being historic. On Offense. For the first time in 99 years, they have scored 8 runs in a game for at least 6 games. Skubal could have used that run support on the Dodgers.

Reminder that the Field of Dreams game is back August 13th! And the field looks as dreamy as ever.

What batter is best in each inning? Looks like mostly NL guys.

So Olson for the 9th, Freeman for the 6th…

James Wood to the IL for an oblique. He is the MLB leader in runs scored, but is so far ahead he is likely to still be it when he comes back.

Anything I missed? Post below for upvotes!

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Texan44
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6 days ago

I can’t worry how a lineup is made up 2 days after the trades. But I think it is best for the future of the team to play possible replacements for 2027 BEFORE ST. See what you possibly have. There is no value in playing those will NOT be here next year. That is about 1/2 the current roster. Why DFA Soler and replace a spot that is now vacant with someone gone in 2 months. Now to address “don’t start the clock” – Fangraphs thinks 6 years of good service BEFORE 31 is better than – on average – any time starting at 32 years of age.

https://community.fangraphs.com/joint-model-of-the-war-aging-curve/

FungoAle
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6 days ago

re Meckler: If we think Meckler is for reals, best to find out if he can hit lefties and leave him in there. Has not done well to date facing southpaws. Currently, he is on the favorable side of a platoon. To be a valuable contributor, one really cannot be a platoon player.

Looking deeper at his stat lines, K-rate is too high for someone of his skill set and BB-rate too low. Refutes the idea leadoff profile. At 5’9″, not likely to increase his slugging percentage or can he flex? Limitations in the OF, cannot play center, arm is below average. He gets rotated out in later innings for defensive purposes. Rumors he has speed, he’s a little guy, must be a blazer (?) but has not shown it. Could we get 30+ steals here?

I’m just generally confused by this guy. I want him to succeed and I’d gladly take a Brett Butler type of player but feels like a he won’t get there by consuming his stats to date. Nothing to lose in “26 to play him full time.

Roy Hobbs
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6 days ago
Reply to  FungoAle

I don’t generally disagree with what you’re saying. I would like for him to play everyday for 3 months and see if he can sustain what he’s doing. He is currently the 2nd best hitter on the team to Trout with a 127 OPS+ which is 17% better than our foundation piece Zac Neto. He also sports a .373 OBA also only 2nd to Trout, and his slugging percentage is respectable for a non power guy at .421. I’m not saying he can sustain this, but on a team like this, I would like to see if he can so we can learn something. A 127 OPS+ is a 27% better than average major league hitter even with the limitations you mention. At least for right now, he is one of the three or four best players on the team.

Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Agreed on all fronts. There’s both plenty to like and question with Meckler. Let’s use this year to figure him out.

Eric_in_Portland
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7 days ago

Frazier at 2b today. Lowe and Siri playing. However I’m in “this is good” mode for the rest of 2026. If you tear down a house you can’t look at the foundation and get mad that hasn’t been rebuilt in a day…or some metaphor…or analogy…one of those.

jefftulsa
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7 days ago

Neto still at leadoff and Meckler benched. Suzuki has brain worms.

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
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Reply to  jefftulsa

This is beyond Suzuki at this point. Meck should be leading off and playing everyday ESPECIALLY if Lowe is in vs a lefty. This should be a mandate from the FO as well as ending the Neto leading off thing and the Soler hitting cleanup thing. Also even if they aren’t going to play everyday I would still rather be giving the Frazier AB’s to either Paris or C Moore.

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jefftulsa
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6 days ago

Well at least Soler is DFA. Totally agree Meckler should be leading off and playing daily.

Charles Sutton
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6 days ago
Reply to  jefftulsa

Maybe he is benched because of that pickoff play. Denzer Guzman is also sitting this one out.

jefftulsa
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6 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Maybe. Neto’s gotten picked off more than anyone lol I just wanna see more of Meckler. I think he’s got real potential.

Charles Sutton
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6 days ago
Reply to  jefftulsa

Better than Lowe, that’s for sure.

jefftulsa
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6 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

Certainly. But then again that’s a…Lowe bar.

I’ll be here all night.  😅 

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jefftulsa

winner

Hatcher_Is_My_Homeboy
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Reply to  Charles Sutton

That would be rich considering Jose Siri literally showed up a teammate (Denzer Guzman) for correctly not making and out at home on his weak ground ball and yet Suzuki left him in the game. Neto and Soler routinely dogged it on ground balls and stay in the game. Getting picked off is way less severe of an infraction than these things so it would be weird as hell for him to start preaching accountability now.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jefftulsa

Boo fkin hoo

BruinsAngelsKings
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7 days ago

From The Athletic:

Worst trade
Los Angeles Angels trade RHP Chase Silseth and C Logan O’Hoppe to the Texas Rangers for INF Angel Arredondo
Most organizations evaluated Arredondo as either a fringe prospect or an org player. The Angels should have been able to get a better return for Silseth and O’Hoppe.

2pints
Super Member
7 days ago

This reminds me of how I dropped Jackson Merrill from my fantasy keeper team last month after 1.5 years of him underperforming compared to his rookie season. He was quickly picked up by another team and has been on fire recently. I don’t care and have no regrets. I just couldn’t do it anymore with him.

YOUknowulovetheIE
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6 days ago

For the worst catcher in baseball and a reliever that’s given up the most inherited runs in baseball.. what were you expecting?

Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago

It would have made more sense to trade Silseth on his own then send O’Hoppe to AAA or potentially DFA him.

The Angels saved a tiny bit of money by dumping Logan but not enough to justify not landing a legit prospect for Silseth. Obviously not a 50 FV but at least somebody on one or two Top 30 lists.

Texan44
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7 days ago

I really don’t know about 2027. However, whoever is negotiating the Players vs Owners, I hope it is not the same people negotiating the USA vs Iran thing.

It will b 2029 before they can decide what color should be the tablecloth.

Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Bro, we’ve won that thing 18 times already. Greatest victory of all time.

Texan44
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7 days ago

I am not advocating for Billy Martin or Reggie Jackson but back then, you didn’t “dog it” on a MLB team managed by Billy Martin.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/reggie-jackson-billy-martin-dugout-fight-fenway-park-june-18-1977-yankees-red-sox/g2yz28ldc4121tv1ev1cevg2p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waDmNxikPU

Terry
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7 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

I so remember that, it was a nationally televised game. Martin wanted a piece of Reggie for sure.

It is almost the anniversary, August 9, 1969, when Martin was managing the Twins that he decked and knocked unconscious his pitcher Dave Boswell, after Boswell punched teammate Bob Allison, outside a Detroit bar.

Billy was a lot of things, but his teams won, and he would wear out his welcome. His starting pitchers were expected to deep into games, every fourth day.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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In the “good all around news” category….

Angel Beroa was called up by the Cleveland Redactians. I’ve been waiting to see him in the MLB, so this could be cool. Man do they need hitters. I am hoping he + Adell spark something good there.

Continuing my love of central division poverty teams, the Pirates DFA the “try to ignore the smell, avoid eye contact and act like he isn’t there” presence of Marcell Ozuna and bring up Ronny Simmon. Simmon is a grinder that I was happy they picked up off the Marlins. He just seems very “Pittsburgh”. He’s very Josh Harrison, can play SS, LF, likely 3B/2B if they need it. He can hit. He can run. I’ve wondered why no one really feels like giving him any rope in the MLB. With all the injuries Pitt has I am happy with this move and its good juju.

Gonna see lots of good prospects up soon. Max Clarks up in Detroit…. lots of the kids

grichmanpoorman
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7 days ago

“Ronny Simmon” sounds like he should be playing bass in Styx. Is that what you mean by “very Pittsburgh”?

PedroCerrano
Super Member
7 days ago

Psssh…everybody knows that Styx is from Chicagoland. Pittsburg is a
meh town musically with Christine Aguilera, Wiz Khalifa and Wild Cherry.

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smithy610
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7 days ago

Once anointed future face of the Angels, Logan O’Hoppe reflects on an unceremonious end

Once anointed the future face of the Los Angeles Angels franchise, Logan O’Hoppe was pulled aside shortly before first pitch on July 29 and told he’d been traded to the Texas Rangers.

Not long after that, he received a call from Chris Young, the Rangers’ top baseball executive. The 26-year-old was told he’d been optioned to Triple A.

For O’Hoppe, who had, at one point, been viewed as one of the game’s top young catchers, it wasn’t a shock. As he said, “the writing’s been on the wall for a couple weeks.”

And in his words, it wasn’t a disappointment, either. He’d been worried about getting sent down with the Angels. But with the Rangers, a team he feels has a plan, it was a welcomed development.

“I view it a little differently with being in a different organization,” O’Hoppe told The Athletic in a phone interview Tuesday. “I feel like now, it’s the start of something good. I feel like there’s a plan in place. Now I can get to work on that and get going.

“With the Angels, I was nervous to get sent down because I didn’t really know what the end goal looked like. I was very unsure about a lot.”

O’Hoppe came up to much fanfare with the Angels. Traded from the Philadelphia Phillies for Brandon Marsh at the 2022 deadline, O’Hoppe was called up two months later and instantly viewed as the core building block of the Angels’ future. In 2024, then-Angels outfielder Taylor Ward called O’Hoppe the team’s captain, as he succeeded on the field and off it as a leader.

But O’Hoppe statistically fell off a cliff his last two seasons. After belting his 14th home run in the 43rd game of 2025, O’Hoppe hit a total of nine home runs over his last 151 games played.

His defensive metrics at catcher, once rated as above average, now rank as the worst in baseball. Baseball Savant estimates that his defense cost the Angels 14 runs this season.

It’s inexplicable, even to O’Hoppe himself. It resulted in the catcher and reliever Chase Silseth being flipped for an unheralded 19-year-old lotto ticket prospect. An unceremonious end — but perhaps a necessary break for both the team and player.

“I said my whole life I wanted to play in the big leagues, and I did that,” O’Hoppe said. “I experienced what it was like to lose in the big leagues. I feel like that totally reframed my mind.

“Playing in the big leagues isn’t everything anymore. It’s winning at that level, and that’s what I want to do. I want to do it (in Texas). I saw some examples of how not to get it done.

“I tried and failed to turn it around (in Anaheim, Calif.). … I view myself as a winning person and someone that brings a lot to the table, and does things the right way.”

In his four years with the Angels, there were four managers, five catching coaches and numerous pitching coaches who worked directly with catchers. There were a lot of voices, a lot of iterations of Angels baseball, packed into a small window.

“I’d be lying to you if I said that didn’t make it difficult,” said O’Hoppe, who wanted to be clear that he wasn’t trying to offer any excuses for his own on-field failures. “It does get to a point where it’s a lot. It’s a lot of different opinions. It made it difficult to trust the process.”

The Rangers are excited about O’Hoppe and view him as a core part of their catching future. Texas invited him to Arlington on Monday’s off day, after he played his first two games in Round Rock.

The Rangers sat him down and went over areas for improvement, leaving O’Hoppe with the impression that the club views him as more than a throw-in on a relatively smaller trade.

“We have a real plan to get him back to, again, where we think he can be,” Rangers manager Skip Schumaker said. “The kid hits the ball as hard as anybody. He’s physical. He’s really good at game planning. He’s got a great arm. There’s a lot of things that we like about him.”

O’Hoppe said he has no ill will toward Angels interim general manager John Mozeliak, who shipped him off and offered honest comments about O’Hoppe’s struggles both offensively and defensively. “I appreciate him giving me this opportunity somewhere else,” O’Hoppe said.

“I can sleep at night knowing that I did everything I could, even until the end,” he added. “Was it frustrating at times? Absolutely. It was really frustrating when it wasn’t working and wasn’t clicking. I really did try to be one of those guys, because no one can do it alone.”

Even if the underlying sentiment was a disdain for the on-field losing, O’Hoppe still appreciated the people he met with the Angels — building a relationship with the fanbase, the community and his teammates. “(Ben) Joyce is never getting rid of me,” O’Hoppe joked.

Before the interview ended, it was noted to O’Hoppe that the Rangers travel to Anaheim this coming Monday for a four-game series. He’s not on the team, of course, and Round Rock will be prepping for a home series against Sugar Land.

But Triple A is never far away from the Show. And there’s always a chance that a mixture of luck and circumstance could have him returning to his first big league home sooner rather than later.

So, he was asked, had he peeked at the schedule and allowed himself to even think about it?

Said O’Hoppe wryly, with words that didn’t fully match the knowing tone behind them: “I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  smithy610

He had every opportunity to perform consistently while on the Angels. The team wanted him to succeed. The team needed him to succeed.

I sincerely wish him only success…except when he’s playing against us.

Jeff Joiner
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7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Solid responses by O’Hoppe. Dude is as genuine as they get.

The constant turnover in generally under qualified coaching can not be helping the Angels.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

He’s a great young man and for whatever reason didn’t perform but the organization did not help. Hopefully that changes. I think he may end up with a much better future.

Charles Sutton
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7 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

He was killing it on challenges for a while. I don’t know where that went

smithy610
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

The team as a whole have sucked on ABS, even “good eye” Mike Trout. Like you can tell there’s no team-wide strategy and players are on their own.

JackFrost
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7 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I would not be surprised to see him flourish in the Rangers system with their coaching… the talent is there. He just has to put it together.

smithy610
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

One thing stood out to me in his interview – where he said he was afraid to get sent down because he doesn’t know what the plan is. I understand he’s not going to trash his new team, but even if it’s half-true, it’s really an indictment of the whole org. It’s only recently that it FEELS like there’s finally a plan they’re trying to execute. Whether that ends up being a successful or not obviously remains to be seen, but at least there’s finally a direction they’re trying to adhere to.

Which brings me to my next point – Moz is laying down his plan, and he’s concluded that he’s seen enough of O’Hoppe to determine that he’s not part of the future. Like Logan said, he wouldn’t have been surprised to have been sent down. Moz didn’t have to get rid of him now. Tyler could have taken the rest of the games, and knowing D’Arnaud is coming back soon, that they can put Logan in the minors the rest of the season to get him figured out. That Moz didn’t even consider that is quite telling. We’ll see if that’s the right decision.

Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Completely agreed.

FungoAle
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7 days ago
Reply to  smithy610

Another rushed prospect, could not make the adjustments at the major league level.

Texan44
Trusted Member
7 days ago

“What’s been really impressive for me is just the amount of trust that I’ve been granted,” Mozeliak said. “Mr. Moreno and Molly, I feel like [they] have done a really nice job welcoming me and making me feel comfortable here, and allowing myself and the team I work with to make the decisions that we feel are most important to move us forward.”

Almost sounds like the game of “May I.”

“Take two banana steps.” “May I.: I hope that is not the case.

Jeff Joiner
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7 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Or perhaps Mozeliak was expecting Arte and Co. to meddle and they have not….yet.

If I was Mo I would keep looking for the real Arte to appear and jump into the baseball decisions. And I would be wary of signing a longer term deal.

My fear is Arte does the right thing until Mo signs on for a few more years then turns back into Arte. At that point Mo would probably quit and the cycle of unqualified hacks would resume.

Fansince1971
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6 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Joiner

I think it is more likely that IF Mo stays, Arte will give him a short unimpeded window to succeed. Unfortunately, it is going to take 4-5 years to turn this thing around. By year 2 if the team is not winning consistently, I could see Arte becoming impatient and start to butt in again.

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Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

Very likely the case.

At some point Mo will have to play the “you called me, I didn’t call you” card. How that play goes will determine a lot for this organization.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
7 days ago

Thought I would share this. My kid got a chance to work with Ruben Sierra last night. He’s worked with a lot of the best hitting guys including multiple former MLB hitting coaches – and he thought this was the best lesson ever. Ironically he was working with another renowned coach last week – who had him make a move he thought would help and it’s a move nobody else has ever tried to teach him. On Sunday, I explain the move to a scout friend of mine and he said “kind of like Ruben Sierra.” On Monday, we get this invite to work with Ruben out of nowhere. Within 5 swings Ruben worked to make the exact same adjustment. My kid looks over to me and smiles. The Lord works in mysterious ways. After – Ruben says – “I don’t teach my swing to kids – but sometimes some of the moves I made work for them. Other times – they can’t do it.”

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Oh! Super cool.

Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago

That is awesome!!!

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
7 days ago

Dylan Jordan making his Tri-City debut tonight, which is exciting, but you know who else is pitching well? 2024 draftee Austin Gordon down in Rocket City. Got shellacked to start the season, with a 6+ ERA through his first 10 starts. Since then: 12 starts, 3.50 ERA, eight “quality” starts if you allow a five inning threshold. He’s always looked the part: 6-foot-5 with a four-pitch repertoire but drafted with no clear out-pitch… kind of reminds me of Kyle Bradish at a similar juncture. Only 23.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Hold on to your hats and clench those butt cheeks boys. We are in honest to God strip down and build naked territory now. We did it! We are finally there. We are like Bible times style beggars with rags covering our dicks and wood bowls for alms. It took a lot of bad luck to get here, but since we’ve had a pretty consistent stream of bitching since about 2007, when it was “edgy” to do so, we finally juju powered ourselves into total collapse.

But we have hope. Everyone loves a rookie, and we are gonna have a ton of them. Sure, CtPG Guy will be there to expertly explain why we need to give up on every 24 year old who isn’t a 5′ 10″ white kid with minimal athleticism and starts out cold. Plenty of these young men will have a future in sales and coaching. But I think the positive vibes of a few of these young bucks bumbling forward into solid MLB careers will turn our whine into sweet refreshing water.

Post strike in 2027 it will hopefully be like opening up a fresh ground bag of coffee. A whole pile of Willets and Radas and Nachos and Rodriguezes who have been training during the lay off.

That actually makes me wonder. Could the strike affect roster moves? Does a kid need to be off the 26 man to play for Salt Lake? The 40 man? Will we reassign some youngsters like Bellasario and Rada if they play for the Angels but we want to keep them working in April? Hows that gonna work?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

What ever qualifies you to be a member of the MLB players Association. I sure hope so relative to your general point about post strike.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Co ty, kurwa, wygadujesz?

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

Perhaps I didn’t communicate very well. I was just trying to answer your question relative to the 26 and 40 man rosters by saying the only players that are impacted are those that are members of the union and I don’t know what qualifies someone to be in the union.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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In September 2022, minor league players officially joined the MLBPA, creating a single, comprehensive union representing roughly 5,500 players. However minor league players have a separate CBA with ownership.

I can’t imagine a scenario where the minor league players would, for example, cross a MLBPA picket line.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

So you are saying that there will be no minor league baseball during the work stoppage?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Since the minor league CBA does not end at the end of the 2026 season, I believe there will be minor league baseball in 2027 even if the MLBPA goes on strike.

The only exceptions would be for minor league players on the major league 40-man roster, and if the MLBPA picket at minor league parks (I imagine that minor league players wouldn’t cross the picket lines).

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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OK. So it’s the 40 man roster that’s likely the “not gonna train” line while baseball is off.

The idea of Max Scherzur showing up at an Amarillo Sod Poodles game to picket makes me laugh my ass off. What’s the MLBPA gonna do? Tell the scrubs to get out there to Ashville? Can star players even picket without the MiLB team providing a safe and secure area where they will be shielded from contact with the poors who attend MiLB games?

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Be careful, or the Ashville Chamber of Commerce will come looking for you….

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PedroCerrano
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7 days ago

Given the releases that I’ve seen, I can’t imagine a reality where there won’t be a work stoppage. To plagiarize a stupid book title: Players are from Venus and the owners are from Mars. Both camps seem incredibly entrenched and seem to equally lack any self awareness as to how trivial their distraction is to most of the world. I love baseball as much as anyone, but it’s pretty difficult to like what either group is saying.

Pineapple12
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7 days ago

Alden Gonzalez on the Sources Tell Jeff Passan podcast:

“Zach Neto didn’t move. I heard he was given an assurance a few hours before the deadline that like he was gonna be their guy moving forward and they hope to try and build around him.”

https://x.com/BeyondTheHalo/status/2084773359272018114

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Pineapple12

If true, and I have no reason to doubt its veracity, I’m surprised. Neto does not seem like the player to build a team around….

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

Yes, I’m not sure how I feel about that.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
7 days ago

If he got back to playing with the engine that got him here, he could be special. I think he’s gotten comfortable – like “I’ve made it”. The right manager will clean him up. I have no doubt if he was playing for a guy like Pat Murphy – his performance would improve. The question is – who will be our guy and can they do that? This team needs an identity. The fire he played with coming up is just not the same. If you could get that back – he would be great leader – especially if he could call out guys being lackadaisical. Anyone see the play in San Diego where the pitcher came off the mound on swinging bunt and Tatis didn’t move to back up? He didn’t even jog. Batter ended up on third standing up with no play. That happened because it was tolerated on earlier plays that turned into outs. That play is equally on the manager. When you’re getting paid what these guys are – hustle is expected.

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PedroCerrano
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7 days ago

I tried to like the Padres when they were playing teh Dodgers in playofs a few years ago. Too many Dbags in that group.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

Dude. I did the exact same thing! I liked their farm, I hate the Dodgers. What’s not to love? but apparently part of the development program is teaching them to all look like sulky dicks constantly. I’ll still root for them over the Doyers, but I’d root far the clap over the Doyers, so there’s that.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
7 days ago

I have to admit that by end of that series I was pulling for the Dodgers. They had Freddie, Clayton, Mookie and Ohtani plus a bunch of other good dudes who seemed to be old school – let your actions speak type of players. Perhaps I’ve just become the pissed off, older guy now. I played in a different era where if guys strutted too much, they would end up wearing one. I always loved how Nolan Ryan handled those type of things as a young player so perhaps it came from there.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  PedroCerrano

People on this site tickle me with their “In my day a man….” shit. I’m pretty old, so I see what people were saying. I also apparently lived more of what guys around seem to dream about so I know it’s stupid. And I was a pitcher who used intimidation and threw at a hitter every now and again…. so no pacifist on or off the field.

But if you always live “Nolan Ryan” style on and off the field you know what you get? A sit down from your friends and/or your teammates and both tell you to stop being such a red assed dick cause they’re sick of backing you up in fights and they aren’t gonna do it anymore…. or so some guy told me….

Like even in baseball, the two guys who threw at my head on purpose my whole life. I didn’t charge the mound and get in trouble. I found them the next weekend and beat the actual bloody piss out of them. Because that’s actually what happens in real life tough man land.

I just don’t get the yearning for those golden days of yor.

And the Dodgers have plenty of great guys on the team. I don’t care. Their fans are all sixty seven types of asshole and their org is fish dicks. Fck them to the core of the earth. I don’t care if they buy a few nice guys. Hitler LOVED kids.

YOUknowulovetheIE
Super Member
6 days ago

John Lackey is that you??

toad2065
Trusted Member
7 days ago

I’m willing to give him the rest of the season to convince me he is that guy. If not, trade the dude.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  toad2065

I wouldn’t anoint him as “the guy to build around”. But unless I got the proverbial “can’t refuse” trade offer, I’d certainly allow him to play for a good manager and hitting coach before determining his future with the team.

Last edited 7 days ago by Senator_John_Blutarsky
milehigh
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7 days ago
Reply to  toad2065

I’m willing to wait for the ‘28 season with a hopefully good manager who tries to win games and the start of a modern baseball org. Playing the rest of this season with this manager isn’t a good trial for me.

dontbatvlad4th
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7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

If true, which wouldn’t surprise me, this is classic Angels one step forward, two steps back.

FungoAle
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7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

Angels blinked. I was all for trading Zach for a package of prospects. He’s yet to improve at the plate, it’s obvious. College scouting report out of Campbell beamed about his ability:

Hit Tool:  Displayed extraordinary bat-to-ball skills and barrel control, batting .403 over his collegiate career at Campbell
Plate Discipline: Walked significantly more times than he struck out during his stellar 2022 redshirt-sophomore campaign (.407/.514/.769 slash line with 39 walks and 19 strikeouts).

I was excited when the Angels grabbed this guy, rather surprising given the GM but pleased. I’m always going to allow 2-3 years to get acclimated to MLB pitching but thus far does reflect the scouting reports.

He was rushed and his behavior seems like he is high on his own oxygen. He needs a mentor if he is going to stick around.

Biggiswrth
Trusted Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Pineapple12

I think you can build around him as a future 2B or 3B option but I don’t think he will be the long term solution at SS for the halos. Detmers I can see getting an extention now and building a staff around him and the new young arms that we have

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago

We have a game and a half lead on the rockies for the worst record. With that said, we wasted another outstanding start yesterday. It’s not the starting pitching. We can’t score runs or hit much. Going forward, meaning after this year, we need significant roster upgrades both offensively and defensively.

Pineapple12
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7 days ago
Reply to  Roy Hobbs

Finishing last would be ideal, minimally we need to be in the bottom 3 for lottery odd purposes.

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Senator_John_Blutarsky
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Reply to  Pineapple12

I still believe we can still have the leagues worst record

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend

We’ve finally got the FO in place that can make it a reality.

PedroCerrano
Super Member
7 days ago

The drive to 100 losses! This team has that and more in them.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Roy Hobbs

I know it doesn’t fit the sour puss countenance we have collectively chosen to turn towards him, but I am actually fairly encouraged by G Rodriguez’s season. It’s ugly, but it is the “learn to walk again” version of ugly I expected. He’s had some physical adjustments to make as his workload grew. His FIP is a rollercoaster. So is his pitch count per start. But both have slowly showed improvement, though it’s VERY back and forth. His “stuff” looks good. He has Detmers disease from a couple years ago. Get two strikes on a guy…. have trouble finishing him. Get two outs…. give up two runs. Like his ability to pitch has outages. But you can see that he CAN PITCH.

I wasn’t expecting, after his long series of injury lay offs etc, for him to just suddenly bloom into Roger Clemens. He certainly has not. But I am hopeful for improvement from him next season. I think the rest of this year will still be a bag of cats.

Kevin
Trusted Member
7 days ago

Noted and thanks for the optimism. One question would be if hearing on fundamentals and finding himself, why is he doing so with the Angels and not in Salt Lake or the like? I realize the Halos are bad, but this isn’t spring training.

Charles Sutton
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7 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

When Kikuchi comes back Grayson might get sent down. Hopefully he gets another start first. It would kind of suck to turn in your best start of the year and promptly get demoted.

jefftulsa
Trusted Member
6 days ago
Reply to  Charles Sutton

I say keep him up for the rest of the season; let him keep going at the MLB level and see how he does. We’re not going anywhere regardless.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  jefftulsa

yeah. Not sure why we’d send him down. He’d just be back up in three starts and we don’t have any MiLB arms choking to try the show with all their incredible success. Let him bang around up here and then have a nice extended rest,

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Kevin

Because the team you have been rooting for all year is a quad A developmental team playing MLB opponents. It’s perfect. Put another way, he’s two years older than George Klassen and missed most of a couple years, but was semi-effective for a large chunk of innings in B-more before that.

He is the perfect MLB development arm. He’s not some old man blocking one of the kids we all play like we love when we want to complain about guys on the current roster. He’s also not a brand new guy who may need to shelter in SLC. He’s tepid. A tepid arm.

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Jeff Joiner
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6 days ago
Reply to  Kevin

Mike Maddux is the best in the business. In a lost season, best to have Grayson under his watch.

Texan44
Trusted Member
7 days ago

On a personal note, I am an expert on “prosects.” While a kid, my first two that I saw who were future MLB All Stars on their way to the Hall of Fame were Jim Greengrass and Carl Spooner.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greenji02.shtml
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spoonka01.shtml

Yes, both made it to the majors and both flamed out in their 20s. Since those two “mistakes” I guess maybe 1000 “can’t miss” – have missed. So I totally agree with this post headline.

Texan44
Trusted Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Also much later I watched “prospect” David Clyde’s first game for the Rangers. In the bullpen, warming up, before the game, pitching coach Chuck Estrada was changing his pitching mechanics. I knew that day Clyde was on the wrong organization.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Texan44

Ooooo…. that’s dark. Always felt bad for Clyde. the Rangers were like “We’re gonna take this kid, give him enough money to live well into his mid-twenties, then take what he loves most in life, ball it up, and fist him with it. Some fans will come to one game. It’s gonna be great.”

DowningDude
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7 days ago
Reply to  Texan44

Is a “prosect” (sic) in quotes intended to make a joke about insects and prospects combining forces?

Buzz buzz buzz🤣

Texan44
Trusted Member
7 days ago
Reply to  DowningDude

Spelling isn’t and never was my strong suit. Still searching what what is. 😂 

Turk's Teeth
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7 days ago

Quite the rehab in the last 48hrs down on the farm – many players promoted, many released, many new assignments.

  • C/DH Moisés Ballesteros assigned to LAA Angels.
  • INF Nacho Alvarez Jr. optioned to AAA Salt Lake.
  • C Jacob Cozart assigned to AA Rocket City.
  • SS Arjun Nimmala assigned to AA Rocket City.
  • OF Eddie Micheletti Jr. assigned to AA Rocket City.
  • RHP Kyle Robinson assigned to AA Rocket City.
  • RHP Mason McGwire assigned to High-A Tri-City.
  • RHP Angel Rivero assigned to ACL Angels.

Promotion highlights: Hayden Alvarez and Dylan Jordan promoted to Tri City, Tyler Bremner and Randy De Jesus to AA Rocket City, Joel Hurtado and Raudi Rodriguez to AAA Salt Lake.

Third rounder David Calabrese released. Oof.

https://twitter.com/AngelsMiLB/status/2084669870369906869

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Charles Sutton
Editor
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Calabrese soldiered on for years. Maybe he can find a AA team that has a hole in the outfield. I guess he’s just outclassed by Micheletti.

grichmanpoorman
Trusted Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Too bad about Calabrese. For a brief, hot minute, I think it was spring training 2023? he looked like a poor man’s Corbin Carroll. The truth: a homeless man’s Corbin Carroll.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
Legend
7 days ago

A couple debuts from 2026 draftees Gavin Grahovac and Jaxon Willits last night at Rancho, with inaugural long flies from each. Welcome to pro ball, lads!

https://twitter.com/AngelsMiLB/status/2084826118146928654

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gitchogritchoffmypettis
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Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Do you know if Fangraphs farm rankings include this years draft picks? I can’t remember.

It’ll be interesting. If they pick up a 50 and 55 grade kid for one of Neto/Detmers it’ll move them up a few ticks on the list. But even better, we will soon know if they are actually developing kids if a couple of those 45s become 50s.

I think kids like TGA, Lugo, Slawinski and Flores can all make value jumps if they meet the goals the org has for them. They don’t have to have any sort of magic transformation, just learn/fix up a couple things.

Turk's Teeth
Editor
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7 days ago

Yes, the organizational rankings already reflect the recent deadline and the trade deadline exchanges. The Angels are now at #18 after recent moves. In the AL West, only Seattle has a stronger system per their rankings.

The team now has 4 50 FV prospects and 4 45+/45 FV prospects in the system.

Roy Hobbs
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

All good, better than we were and a move in the right direction, but 18th is still 18th out of 30. We have work to do.

steelgolf
Legend
7 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

I hope Grahovac can hit many more of those on The Angels and maybe set the all time HR record for an Angel. Kid has be put in countless hours on hit hitting and I hope it pays off.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  steelgolf

Big ceiling for sure.

gitchogritchoffmypettis
Legend
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Yup. I wanna try and get down there the next couple weeks and see those guys while they are tooling around in Rancho.

HalosFanForLife
Super Member
7 days ago
Reply to  Turk's Teeth

Grahovac has the potential to be the steal of the draft. Of course he could be another third rounder with a short cup of coffee.

Senator_John_Blutarsky
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…..but if Skubal had been traded to the Angels back then, he would still be languishing in the minors or coaching in high school

DowningDude
Legend
7 days ago

And SOMEONE wudda complained that we were only getting PROSPECTS instead of proven MLB players!

😂

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