The Best Possible Trade Deadline Outcome

Earlier this spring the dog I had loved for fifteen years passed away.

And the bees are dying. And the manatees are dying. And the polar bears and salmon and coral reefs are dying. And housing is unaffordable. And the homeless crisis. And the opioid crisis. And the refugee crisis. And Oregon is on fire. And the massive drought. And the stupid mega-billionaires and their vanity flights into space when this money they don’t need could have bought vaccines for all the third world countries that are struggling with COVID.

And all I can do to take my mind off of this avalanche of spirit-crushing sadnesses is to watch Angel baseball, so Minasian and Moreno better do whatever they can to lift my spirits.

And by lifting my spirits, I’m talking about doing whatever it takes to be the highest bidder and steal German Marquez away from the Rockies if owner Dick Monfort wakes up and decides that selling Marquez is one of the keys to preventing the foul stench that the guaranteed pile of losing records in his franchise’s future is going to produce.

If acquired, Marquez would challenge Shohei Ohtani to be the best Angel starting pitcher since the glory days of Jered Weaver’s prime because he wouldn’t just be a rental — he would be locked-in with the Angels until the end of the 2023 season, when his contract expires. Marquez is a front line pitcher. He never gets hurt. He is the only hope that Princess Leia was begging for.

Offer the Rockies every Angel currently on the 40-man roster whose contract is going to expire in the next two years. Give them Jo Adell. Give them some of the pitchers Minasian just drafted. Give them Bitcoins and lifetime passes for Disneyland that are good even on blackout days. Just get Marquez into an Angel uniform this summer.

Angel playoff baseball in 2023 has to be the target the front office’s laser should be focused on. With the fantastic core of position players the Angels already possess, the addition of a quality free agent pitcher and shortstop over the next two off-seasons that would require Mr. Moreno to break the fever of his salary cap delusions, the maturation of some of the young pitchers in the Angel system into pitchers who can deliver a significant positive impact either as a starter or reliever, and the addition of Marquez at or near the top of the rotation, an Angel team would have been created with the power to beat the Astros and A’s into submission and march into the post-season with a mandate to win, baby, win.

So you better lift me up, Buttercup. I’m depending on you.

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Bl0chead
Trusted Member
2 months ago

The best possible trade deadline is the team swallowing its pride and selling everything that isn’t bolted down.

They’ve really dropped the ball the last few seasons by not selling on guys like Andrelton Simmons, Cole Kalhoun, Dylan Bundy, etc… Only to see them walk away for absolutely nothing. I say they take whatever they can get for the current sad bunch of players and look toward 2022-23.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago

If I’m reading this right Marquez does better in Colorado. I know his road numbers would make him our #2 behind Ohtani but judging a pitcher by what we have now is dangerous and makes us overrated someone like Marquez.

Personally I’m against this since I’m one of those build the farm guys.

H.T. Ennis
Admin
Super Member
2 months ago

That’s correct, his low fastball spin rate means he does better at Coors than average, in comparison.

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago

I’m all for building the farm too. But when the farm is full of horses and you don’t have any cows for milk, sometimes you trade a you a young stallion for a cow or two.

Last edited 2 months ago by Fansince1971
h27kim
Trusted Member
2 months ago

You rely on the farm to fill out bottom 15-20 of your roster with solid players. You sign occasional free agent or make big trades to get a few top players b/c they are tough to develope. What makes the Angels so frustrating has been the absence of those 15-20 solid, but not spectacular players that full out the roster.

As I see it, German is absolutely the player you’d trade for, b/c potential 1-2 starters aren’t easy to develop in house. I suppose I have issues with the big holes in the bottom half/2/3 of the roster that will remain unaddressed.

Last edited 2 months ago by h27kim
BartonSpringsMatt
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  h27kim

I would love to have seen some tear down in the last couple of years, but I’m not sure now. I do think a minor trade off like Rasiel and Heaney. I think we can get something for them. As for the farm only complimenting our team, how bad would we be without Fletch & Walsh? They’ve absolutely carried us to .500. Glad we never lumped them into deals. I’d pretty sick if we try and be buyers this year. Already regretting the Bundy trade, Bradish sure is climbing up the O’s prospect list.

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago

I like the no politics “rule” because I don’t want to know what some of you think. It gets too messy and distracts from our common fandom.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago

Sorry about that. I won’t comment on that any more… at least on this story…

Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

It would probably be ok if we didn’t take it so seriously.

eatgrasslikegoat
Member
2 months ago

GRIFF STAYS 😍

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago

So, BoyWithApple, did you give away all YOUR money to give vaccines to the third world?

  • First of all, it’s not Bezos and Branson’s money. It’s Blue Origin’s and Virgin Galactic’s money. Bezos and Branson are simply the owners of the companies.
  • Second, they were doing the rocket stuff, whether or not they themselves went on the flights.

I’m sick of this “Oh these billionaires should give away all their money to ${CAUSE} instead of working on space”.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

They always forget to mention all the employees, their families, the supporting companies, their employees and families, etc., that the money has been going to.

AKA_rmhalofan
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Agreed. Would we rather the government spend our money (taxes) on space travel and the technology behind it OR let these billionaires spend their own (or their company’s money)?

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  AKA_rmhalofan

Both.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

What would Arte Moreno’s Rocket be like?
Definitely would have cheap, defective robotic arms, frequently in the repair shop (for only a few days), lots of TJS. And of course the other Rocketeers would kick our asses.
He’d be in 4th place in that too.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

He would opt for more of an “orbiting billboard” vs. a rocket that you take customers for short rides in.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Of course!  😁  May as well put an LED sign with “Norm’s ….We Never close”

GrandpaBaseball
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

SMFH.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

Can we send Arte on that mythical “one way trip” to Mars ??

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

Also, it isn’t a zero-sum game. It’s possible to cultivate different things now for an overall more productive future. This future can include both more spaceflight and science and more helping people at the same time.

Last edited 2 months ago by El_Duderino
Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

However….if we’re on a desert island and we all have two coconuts except one guy with 1002 coconuts if we give away one we have one left but if the other guy does that he’d still have 1001 which might still work for him.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago

I’d reply to this, but I just promised not to… Let’s just say the real-world math doesn’t work out.

El_Duderino
Trusted Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I guess I never made a promise here so I think what you wanted to say is that it’s possible that the guy with 1002 coconuts needs 1000 coconuts to grow more coconut trees. He could give away all his coconuts now or use some to grow another coconut forest for the future.

Also, I have no idea how coconut trees grow.

Last edited 2 months ago by El_Duderino
Eric_in_Portland
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  red floyd

I think there are good arguments on both sides and each one has a good counterpart as el duderino points out.

Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  BoyWithApple

You know Jeffrey B donates $100’s of millions of dollars of his wealth……..

Fleckstein
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Twebur

That is the same percentage-wise of me donating $100s of my wealth. Neither of us is particularly generous.

red floyd
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fleckstein

I’m assuming your wealth is mostly liquid assets. Most of Bezos’s is not. It’s things like stocks, options, etc… that you can’t just “withdraw”.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago

If you are depending on Buttercup I’ve got some really bad news for you….

nishiogawakun
Trusted Member
2 months ago

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me eight years now and I must be in Angels fan. Thanks for the write up, BWA. Honestly, you may be right. It sure doesn’t look like we’re going to put the pieces together this season, or at least it doesn’t look like it at this point. If it’s not by 2023 a lot of our guys might start aging out and our own window might close. In that year maybe we can hope that Oakland is distracted by debating a move, the Astros window will have been closed, Texas won’t have had enough time to rebuild, and Seattle will just still be Seattle. Who knows, maybe that’s our only shot?

Last edited 2 months ago by nishiogawakun
Twebur
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  nishiogawakun

“Fool me once . . . shame on . . .shame on you. You fooled me, but can’t get fooled again.” – George W Bush
https://youtu.be/KjmjqlOPd6A

Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago

I mentioned Marquez today as a top trade target at the deadline. Would be thrilled with him. Top of the rotation guy. Team control through 2024. I would trade Adell for sure for him.

Last edited 2 months ago by Fansince1971
Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

I also like Means (controlled through 2024) and Boyd (2022). But Marquez is my first choice. I think he’d be an absolute stud and a workhorse.

Jayman28
Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Fansince1971

If they are under club control for 2-3 years, than they can start planning ahead for next year. I am going to be bummed if they trade Adell, but if they get Major League ready pitchers from it, it’s a price willing to pay since Jordan Adams is as valuable as fiat currency.

Thaiss, Lund, and possibly Martinez can be worth something. Obvioisly Perryust have a thing with Mormons since he refuses to call up Lund and rather have Luis “cheap version of Aybar and Izturis” Rengifo playing out of position.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

They would have to get alot more than “major league ready” pitchers in an Adell trade. “Major League ready” doesn’t mean anything. Andrew Heaney is “major league ready” lol.

You need to get a solid, proven MLB starter who is under 30 and has a career ERA of 3.20 or lower, preferably with at least three solid years under his belt.

steelgolf
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  JackFrost

A starter with a 3.95 ERA would be a #2 or #3 on this team. Cobb is at 3.96, Sandoval is at 3.86 but only pitches 4 to 5 innings before being pulled and having the blow pen and their fire show come in.

JackFrost
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  steelgolf

yeah, well I would not do that trade. Number one pitchers are more risky due to arm and shoulder jeopardy. Perhaps that is why ARTE only pays big $ for bats and not for arms ??

And in keeping with that line of thought, if you are trading a promising and cheap young bat for pitching you’d better get pretty damned good pitcher or pitchers, because of the risk. To make the cost/benefit analysis work for you you need to get a solid dude.

No way I trade Adell for a pitcher like Tyler Mahle or anyone else with a career ERA anywhere near 4.00. If I can’t get a proven starter with an ERA/FIP right around 3.00 or less then I simply don’t trade him. He’s too valuable.

Last edited 2 months ago by JackFrost
Fansince1971
Super Member
2 months ago
Reply to  Jayman28

Dream world if you really believe Thaiss, Lund or Martinez (even packaged together) can land anything more than a bottom tier pitcher. Teams don’t want Angels’ garbage.

The only true trade pieces the Angeks have to frontline a trade for a top, young starter with team control are Adell, Marsh and Detmers. It’s silly for a team desperate for pitching to trade Detmers. So it’s Adell or Marsh – one of them has to go if you want a frontline, pitcher in return with team control.

Adell, Canning and Rengifo for Marquez. Make it happen.

Last edited 2 months ago by Fansince1971